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It’s not censorship it’s product liability. The product fucking kills children. I think internet contrarianism has warped everyone’s brains into an unrecogniza
by CPLX 4y ago
It’s not censorship it’s product liability. The product fucking kills children.
I think internet contrarianism has warped everyone’s brains into an unrecognizable state.
The fact that Amazon is defending this behavior instead of saying oh shit we fucked up and dedicating a fraction of a basis point of a days profit to fixing it is apalling. The fact that HN readers are doing the same is incomprehensible.
As a society we can stop companies from mixing chemicals that kill teenagers in minutes and instructions on how to do just that with standard household purchases.
We can put safeguards around sales of chemicals like that and our societal ability to preserve self-expression will be fine when we do.
- semicolon_storm 4y agoIngesting table salt or drinking soy sauce is also a method of suicide and has killed many children and adults. Plenty of items that have perfectly legitimate uses and which should remain 100% legal can have deadly effects if misused. You can try censoring the information on how to misuse the substances, but that's never going to be very successful.
- giantg2 4y agoI agree. The point that this article doesn't should be on addressing the underlying issue. We can ban this one method and another will take it's place. Ways of getting people help and possibly avoiding whatever scenarios are leading to this should be looked at.
- Someone1234 4y ago> It’s not censorship it’s product liability. The product fucking kills children. Amazon sells millions of products that could, in fact, kill children. Just go to: Health & Household > Health Care > OTC Medications & Treatments That clearly isn't the issue at the center of this lawsuit, since if it were there are far lower hanging fruit. > The fact that Amazon is defending this behavior instead of saying oh shit we fucked up and dedicating a fraction of a basis point of a days profit to fixing it is apalling. Because once you do that it only emboldens additional lawsuits and calls for censorship. In effect Amazon would be admitting all future liability, every product that could kill a child (which, as I said, is millions) they're now liable for. > As a society we can stop [..] instructions on how to do just that You start with "this isn't censorship, this is access to chemicals" but end with "why can't we as a society censor this type of information?"
- CPLX 4y agoWe judge these things as a matter of degree. Like any heavy object could kill children, but some objects are more likely to do so than others. We decide how much protection to put around access to them by evaluating cost/benefit relationships. We use those tools of analysis decide that selling suicide kits as described in the article, even after learning of the consequences, is fucking insane and indefensible. We do that because we are rational members of society instead of autonomous algorithmic message board argument bots (or attorneys) who have developed a sociopathic disregard for the well being of others and basic common sense.
- fuckstick 4y ago15 to 20 extra strength Tylenol can kill most children - and it’s used quite frequently in intentional attempts - literally 100s of times more often than sodium nitrite. Your argument has no merit.
- giantg2 4y agoI think you underestimate how easy it would be to walk into most stores and find something to kill yourself with, if you have the right information. Any pharmacy, hardware store, walmart type store, grocery store, etc.
- fuckstick 4y ago10 grams of Tylenol (so 20 extra strength, or just 15 arthritis strength pills) can cause enough liver toxicity to kill. Tylenol overdoses both intentional and unintentional dwarf this sodium nitrite nonsense scare bullshit by 1000s.