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No they aren't. Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal are staying away from it as much as possible. Many central European countries, the same. This is an Anglosaxon +

No they aren't. Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal are staying away from it as much as possible. Many central European countries, the same. This is an Anglosaxon + Germanic project, with the addition of Poland. Its their war. ... There can be no bigger enemy than the country that blew up European pipelines to sink European industry. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-09/european-industry-starts-shutting-down-as-energy-prices-soar https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-09/european-...

m000 4y ago
I'm not sure how much of a Germany's war is this. From what I gather, if we had any kind of deal to stop the war tomorrow, they would be more than happy and eager to start discussing (energy) business again. Also, Greece is not staying as away as you may think. First EU country to send military supplies to Ukraine. Supplies were complete junk btw, so you can even call it a lose-lose gesture. Worse, the only external country who has a PM stupid enough to say in an interview "we are at war with Russia" [1]. [1] https://www.tovima.gr/2022/09/22/international/mitsotakis-declares-we-are-at-war-with-russia-turkey-no-longer-part-of-western-alliance/ https://www.tovima.gr/2022/09/22/international/mitsotakis-de...
- unity1001 4y ago
  > I'm not sure how much of a Germany's war is this It definitely is not Germany's war. Various openly-published American think tank papers openly call for German industry's destruction and outline plans for it. One example went viral recently. > if we had any kind of deal to stop the war tomorrow, they would be more than happy and eager to start discussing (energy) business again. Yep, after the US literally went ahead and blew up the pipes when things looked like settling down, many German establishment figures seem to have changed their minds. But it may be too late. Even if repairs start tomorrow and both pipelines open, its unlikely that they will complete before the winter is over. And that will likely castrate German industry. > Also, Greece is not staying as away as you may think. First EU country to send military supplies to Ukraine. Supplies were complete junk Lol, Spain did the same - first it sent a few thousand rifles that were practically remnant of the Spanish Civil War or early WW2. Then it offered to send Leopard tanks IF Germany gave permission - therefore throwing the ball on Germany's court. Of course Germany couldn't allow it, so the tanks were not sent. Then in the 3rd run, when pressured to send artillery shells, they just sent some 150mm shells which may or may not be usable in the equipment that the US gave Ukraine. Greece is FAR ahead of Spain: Currently Europe is STILL buying Russian oil. But it is now 'Greek' oil. As long as you have at most 49% Russian-sourced oil, your oil is not Russian oil. So you can sell as much as you want. Greece had been doing crazy business. It may end up as the country that comes ahead of all others in the crisis. As a very ironic note, Latvia is also selling Russian oil. Shiploads of it. But its 'Latvian oil' since its only 49% Russian. It looks like business does not follow rhetoric.
  - rudnevr 4y ago
    you really should stop spreading misinformation
watwut 4y ago
You will be shocked to find out that Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia are all EU countries. All are full members actually - no less then Italy or France. And yes, Italy is rather pro-Russia. And you are wrong in other way too - Germany does everything possible to not deliver arms to Ukraine. They are tempted by that Russian money and did not get off the imperial against east thinking entirely.
- unity1001 4y ago
  Traditional Russian enemies, coupled with a few central European states. Much smaller economies of the Eu, leave aside not founding members, less, members of the G7. > And yes, Italy is rather pro-Russia. Its not "rather". Entire south Europe wants to avoid this US proxy war. > They are tempted by that Russian money and did not get off the imperial against east thinking entirely. Yeah, instead they should drop whatever thinking they have, become an Angloamerican colony, and get into an actual war with Russia on their behalf. Sure makes sense.

m000 4y ago

I'm not sure how much of a Germany's war is this. From what I gather, if we had any kind of deal to stop the war tomorrow, they would be more than happy and eager to start discussing (energy) business again. Also, Greece is not staying as away as you may think. First EU country to send military supplies to Ukraine. Supplies were complete junk btw, so you can even call it a lose-lose gesture. Worse, the only external country who has a PM stupid enough to say in an interview "we are at war with Russia" [1]. [1] https://www.tovima.gr/2022/09/22/international/mitsotakis-declares-we-are-at-war-with-russia-turkey-no-longer-part-of-western-alliance/ https://www.tovima.gr/2022/09/22/international/mitsotakis-de...

unity1001 4y ago
> I'm not sure how much of a Germany's war is this It definitely is not Germany's war. Various openly-published American think tank papers openly call for German industry's destruction and outline plans for it. One example went viral recently. > if we had any kind of deal to stop the war tomorrow, they would be more than happy and eager to start discussing (energy) business again. Yep, after the US literally went ahead and blew up the pipes when things looked like settling down, many German establishment figures seem to have changed their minds. But it may be too late. Even if repairs start tomorrow and both pipelines open, its unlikely that they will complete before the winter is over. And that will likely castrate German industry. > Also, Greece is not staying as away as you may think. First EU country to send military supplies to Ukraine. Supplies were complete junk Lol, Spain did the same - first it sent a few thousand rifles that were practically remnant of the Spanish Civil War or early WW2. Then it offered to send Leopard tanks IF Germany gave permission - therefore throwing the ball on Germany's court. Of course Germany couldn't allow it, so the tanks were not sent. Then in the 3rd run, when pressured to send artillery shells, they just sent some 150mm shells which may or may not be usable in the equipment that the US gave Ukraine. Greece is FAR ahead of Spain: Currently Europe is STILL buying Russian oil. But it is now 'Greek' oil. As long as you have at most 49% Russian-sourced oil, your oil is not Russian oil. So you can sell as much as you want. Greece had been doing crazy business. It may end up as the country that comes ahead of all others in the crisis. As a very ironic note, Latvia is also selling Russian oil. Shiploads of it. But its 'Latvian oil' since its only 49% Russian. It looks like business does not follow rhetoric.
- rudnevr 4y ago
  you really should stop spreading misinformation

watwut 4y ago

You will be shocked to find out that Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia are all EU countries. All are full members actually - no less then Italy or France. And yes, Italy is rather pro-Russia. And you are wrong in other way too - Germany does everything possible to not deliver arms to Ukraine. They are tempted by that Russian money and did not get off the imperial against east thinking entirely.

unity1001 4y ago
Traditional Russian enemies, coupled with a few central European states. Much smaller economies of the Eu, leave aside not founding members, less, members of the G7. > And yes, Italy is rather pro-Russia. Its not "rather". Entire south Europe wants to avoid this US proxy war. > They are tempted by that Russian money and did not get off the imperial against east thinking entirely. Yeah, instead they should drop whatever thinking they have, become an Angloamerican colony, and get into an actual war with Russia on their behalf. Sure makes sense.