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Unfortunately, the wisdom of ages doesn't qualify as science. I'm not agreeing with that, only explaining how are modern paradigm is anything but humble. Anoth

Unfortunately, the wisdom of ages doesn't qualify as science. I'm not agreeing with that, only explaining how are modern paradigm is anything but humble. Another example is cultures with rituals involving psychedelics. Western-based values dismissed those practices. Until now. Now we have Western-based "proof" of the usefulness of mind-altering substances.

jrajav 4y ago
If anything seems to "defy" science, it is really just that it concurs with it or hasn't yet been scrutinized by it. Those examples are also the few that survive to the current day - much like "all the music in the 70s was good." No it wasn't, most of it was terrible, and thus no one bothers to remember it. And re: Western values, there is indeed some circumstantial entanglement with science, but they're not one and the same. If humanity got wiped out tomorrow, the next intelligent cultures to evolve after us would discover science again. They would not discover any of our religions, customs, or values. It's very worthwhile to recognize these facts, and it has nothing to do with hubris or humility. Science is discovery, not a personal trait or belief system.
- chiefalchemist 4y ago
  > Science is discovery, not a personal trait or belief system. Science the theory? Yes. However, in reality science is practiced by flawed and biased humans. Humans that are influenced by the nature of their context. And then the proof is measured against that paradigm. Slightly off topic, I listened to this yesterday "Lera Boroditsky. She studies how the structure of the languages we speak can change the way we see the world." The point being, science - which depends on language - in practice isn't immune to influence. https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/watch-your-mouth/ https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/watch-your-mouth/

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Unfortunately, the wisdom of ages doesn't qualify as science. I'm not agreeing with that, only explaining how are modern paradigm is anything but humble. Anoth

by chiefalchemist 4y ago

jrajav 4y ago
If anything seems to "defy" science, it is really just that it concurs with it or hasn't yet been scrutinized by it. Those examples are also the few that survive to the current day - much like "all the music in the 70s was good." No it wasn't, most of it was terrible, and thus no one bothers to remember it. And re: Western values, there is indeed some circumstantial entanglement with science, but they're not one and the same. If humanity got wiped out tomorrow, the next intelligent cultures to evolve after us would discover science again. They would not discover any of our religions, customs, or values. It's very worthwhile to recognize these facts, and it has nothing to do with hubris or humility. Science is discovery, not a personal trait or belief system.
- chiefalchemist 4y ago
  > Science is discovery, not a personal trait or belief system. Science the theory? Yes. However, in reality science is practiced by flawed and biased humans. Humans that are influenced by the nature of their context. And then the proof is measured against that paradigm. Slightly off topic, I listened to this yesterday "Lera Boroditsky. She studies how the structure of the languages we speak can change the way we see the world." The point being, science - which depends on language - in practice isn't immune to influence. https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/watch-your-mouth/ https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/watch-your-mouth/