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It hasn't. That is what I am saying. People think it snows all the time here, it doesn't. I have lived here for 20 years, my parents lived here for decades befo

It hasn't. That is what I am saying. People think it snows all the time here, it doesn't. I have lived here for 20 years, my parents lived here for decades before, the weather is largely the same (the UK has been getting warmer for about a century and a half, so the Thames used to freeze over but that stopped a long time before climate change started). This doesn't mean that climate change is or is not happening: Scotland is a tiny country surrounded by water, so the weather here tends to be unusual. In Edinburgh, for example, it will never snow in Leith but you go up to the Braids (maybe ten miles away), and there will be six foot deep drifts. Because the country is so small and so much is close to the coast, the weather is unusual.

pessimizer 4y ago
> It hasn't. That is what I am saying. So you're saying that you think that they are lying, and falsifying weather information? Do you think they came up with this plan 300 years ago when they started recording? This is a report about a thing that is happening. You can see it as a sign of something else, you can see it as not necessarily a sign of something else. To refuse to see it at all, however, is concerning.
- skippyboxedhero 4y ago
  I am glad you are concerned about me. You come across as a very sensitive person, suggesting (for some reason that is unclear to me, but presumably clear to a very intuitive person like yourself) that I believe there is a 300-yr old conspiracy theory to falsify weather "information"? I don't think I actually mentioned anything about the article, I mentioned no views about climate change at all, no-one asked. All I pointed out was that the guy saying Scotland was suddenly "snow-free" had obviously not been to Scotland. Because it doesn't actually snow here very often, people just think it does. Take a deep breath. Not everything is an anti-climate change conspiracy.
tenthirtyam 4y ago
Could it be the Thames-freezing-over event was part of the "little ice age"? i.e. a blip in an otherwise (at the time) more stable climate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
- skippyboxedhero 4y ago
  Yes, it was part of the Little Ice Age. People actually used to skate and hold markets on the Thames, it was frozen solid (the last such market was held in the early 19th century, and the last full freeze was in the early 1960s). Thoroughly confusing for climate-change deniers ofc (and climate-change truthers it seems). But, as I said, it really stopped happening in the mid-19th century.
NomDePlum 4y ago
> the UK has been getting warmer for about a century and a half Are you not contradicting yourself? Not sure who thinks it snows in Scotland all the time either? Certainly known more for its rain I'd say. I would agree Scotland has a tendency for unusual micro-climates. I do think the measurement of frequency of snowless days in Scotland is a reasonable bellwether for climate change indicators given the details provided. To give another observation of possible indicators of climate change effects in Scotland I have lived in a coastal town in Scotland for a little over a decade and there are strong indicators of increasing coastal erosion which I would attribute to the rising sea-levels brought about by climate change. Are you trying to make an argument that climate change isn't real or just not happy with the reporting of this event? It's not clear to me what your actual point is.
- skippyboxedhero 4y ago
  > Are you not contradicting yourself? Not if you are familiar with the climate history of the UK. The reason why warming started a century and a half ago is not the reason it is warming now. > Not sure who thinks it snows in Scotland all the time either? The guy who I replied to who said it was unusual that it wasn't snowing in Scotland. I don't know what to tell you. I will offer an alternative statistic for climate change: temperature change. I think it will catch on, but you can continue with your thing. > It's not clear to me what your actual point is. Because you had in your head when you replied to my comment that I must be a climate-change denier. So you are now very confused when you wrote your comment, and then looked at what I said and then realised that at no point did I mention anything about climate change. You may know this is something that happens to people now: you talk about something related to a cause de jour, and the person will think everything you are saying is connected to cause de jour.
  - NomDePlum 4y ago
    > The guy who I replied to who said it was unusual that it wasn't snowing in Scotland. I don't know what to tell you Still can't see anyone replying to you with that > Because you had in your head when you replied to my comment that I must be a climate-change denier.... I had it in my head it wasn't clear what point you are actually making about the original article as much of what you state is, at best, personal experience and little else. Not that that can't add to a discussion to some degree However, I'm still none the wiser but will leave it at that as don't believe this is worth pursuing and will just become (more) circular.
iso1631 4y ago
> People think it snows all the time here No they don't. You are arguing with a straw man. People know Scotland has had 9 times that the last snow has melted before fresh snow falls in the last 300 years, and four of those were in the last six years.

pessimizer 4y ago

> It hasn't. That is what I am saying. So you're saying that you think that they are lying, and falsifying weather information? Do you think they came up with this plan 300 years ago when they started recording? This is a report about a thing that is happening. You can see it as a sign of something else, you can see it as not necessarily a sign of something else. To refuse to see it at all, however, is concerning.

skippyboxedhero 4y ago
I am glad you are concerned about me. You come across as a very sensitive person, suggesting (for some reason that is unclear to me, but presumably clear to a very intuitive person like yourself) that I believe there is a 300-yr old conspiracy theory to falsify weather "information"? I don't think I actually mentioned anything about the article, I mentioned no views about climate change at all, no-one asked. All I pointed out was that the guy saying Scotland was suddenly "snow-free" had obviously not been to Scotland. Because it doesn't actually snow here very often, people just think it does. Take a deep breath. Not everything is an anti-climate change conspiracy.

tenthirtyam 4y ago

Could it be the Thames-freezing-over event was part of the "little ice age"? i.e. a blip in an otherwise (at the time) more stable climate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

skippyboxedhero 4y ago
Yes, it was part of the Little Ice Age. People actually used to skate and hold markets on the Thames, it was frozen solid (the last such market was held in the early 19th century, and the last full freeze was in the early 1960s). Thoroughly confusing for climate-change deniers ofc (and climate-change truthers it seems). But, as I said, it really stopped happening in the mid-19th century.

NomDePlum 4y ago

> the UK has been getting warmer for about a century and a half Are you not contradicting yourself? Not sure who thinks it snows in Scotland all the time either? Certainly known more for its rain I'd say. I would agree Scotland has a tendency for unusual micro-climates. I do think the measurement of frequency of snowless days in Scotland is a reasonable bellwether for climate change indicators given the details provided. To give another observation of possible indicators of climate change effects in Scotland I have lived in a coastal town in Scotland for a little over a decade and there are strong indicators of increasing coastal erosion which I would attribute to the rising sea-levels brought about by climate change. Are you trying to make an argument that climate change isn't real or just not happy with the reporting of this event? It's not clear to me what your actual point is.

skippyboxedhero 4y ago
> Are you not contradicting yourself? Not if you are familiar with the climate history of the UK. The reason why warming started a century and a half ago is not the reason it is warming now. > Not sure who thinks it snows in Scotland all the time either? The guy who I replied to who said it was unusual that it wasn't snowing in Scotland. I don't know what to tell you. I will offer an alternative statistic for climate change: temperature change. I think it will catch on, but you can continue with your thing. > It's not clear to me what your actual point is. Because you had in your head when you replied to my comment that I must be a climate-change denier. So you are now very confused when you wrote your comment, and then looked at what I said and then realised that at no point did I mention anything about climate change. You may know this is something that happens to people now: you talk about something related to a cause de jour, and the person will think everything you are saying is connected to cause de jour.
- NomDePlum 4y ago
  > The guy who I replied to who said it was unusual that it wasn't snowing in Scotland. I don't know what to tell you Still can't see anyone replying to you with that > Because you had in your head when you replied to my comment that I must be a climate-change denier.... I had it in my head it wasn't clear what point you are actually making about the original article as much of what you state is, at best, personal experience and little else. Not that that can't add to a discussion to some degree However, I'm still none the wiser but will leave it at that as don't believe this is worth pursuing and will just become (more) circular.

iso1631 4y ago

> People think it snows all the time here No they don't. You are arguing with a straw man. People know Scotland has had 9 times that the last snow has melted before fresh snow falls in the last 300 years, and four of those were in the last six years.