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>>Just like the first black kids sent to white only schools during integration helped make things less terrible for future minorities. it is nothing like that

>>Just like the first black kids sent to white only schools during integration helped make things less terrible for future minorities. it is nothing like that for 3 reasons 1. first and foremost the "white only" schools was legally required segregation, it was imposed by law and the elimination of that required law to reverse. These laws have now been absent for decades 2. Primary education is where this battle should be fought, even today there are still battle that need to be fought when it come to resource alloation, school choice, etc. You do not attempt to fix a bad casting after the poor you need to fix the mold.... We do that by fixing primary education which is being used by various political factions on both the left and the right to push political agenda and not education. 3. Once we get to adulthood, using discrimination to "fix" historic discrimination will not resolve the underlying problem (see #2) and will likely create more discrimination against the very groups you are attempting to assist, it is in all cases a general net negative.

tsimionescu 4y ago
Regarding 1, even after whites-only schools became illegal, little changed. Previously legally whites-only schools stayed in-practice whites-only, often with explicit discrimination by racist parents and teachers to discourage any black people from sending or keeping their children in the school, but other times simply as by-product of housing inequality. It was hard for people in a black neighborhood - itself created by now-defunct discriminatory laws that had huge long-term impact - to send their children to a school in a farther away white neighborhood. The fix was to forcibly integrate schools: explicitly mandate not just that black students be allowed, but actually that they are integrated in significant numbers, including by providing special facilities (school buses) to take them to the better schools that were farther away from their homes - the policy known as "busing" [0]; a form of (positive) discrimination. Of course, as the article notes, this can also have negative consequences, so any such measure is far from easy to apply. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegregation_busing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegregation_busing
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  I understand that, which is why today I 100% support back pack funding of schools. I despise the idea of Regional school districts, and really the fact that most schools are funded by local very tiny regional property tax districts, making some schools VERY VERY well funded to the point where high schools are building professional sports arena's and other districts just a few miles away can not afford proper computers.
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tsimionescu 4y ago

Regarding 1, even after whites-only schools became illegal, little changed. Previously legally whites-only schools stayed in-practice whites-only, often with explicit discrimination by racist parents and teachers to discourage any black people from sending or keeping their children in the school, but other times simply as by-product of housing inequality. It was hard for people in a black neighborhood - itself created by now-defunct discriminatory laws that had huge long-term impact - to send their children to a school in a farther away white neighborhood. The fix was to forcibly integrate schools: explicitly mandate not just that black students be allowed, but actually that they are integrated in significant numbers, including by providing special facilities (school buses) to take them to the better schools that were farther away from their homes - the policy known as "busing" [0]; a form of (positive) discrimination. Of course, as the article notes, this can also have negative consequences, so any such measure is far from easy to apply. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegregation_busing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegregation_busing

phpisthebest 4y ago
I understand that, which is why today I 100% support back pack funding of schools. I despise the idea of Regional school districts, and really the fact that most schools are funded by local very tiny regional property tax districts, making some schools VERY VERY well funded to the point where high schools are building professional sports arena's and other districts just a few miles away can not afford proper computers.
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