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The state I live in is 85% white and the goal is to hire much less than 85% whites. So the goal is to create a diverse community that doesn't exist.

k__ 4y ago
Diversity can foster innovation.
- ElCheapo 4y ago
  Didn't know skin pigment contributed to innovation. "Diversity" is empty HR speak, please specify which kind of diversity fosters innovation.
  - aliqot 4y ago
    > please specify which kind of diversity fosters innovation To keep an open mind I did a thought experiment and found a few: entertainment, fusion food, music, those things I'd imagine benefit greatly from diversity.
    - ElCheapo 4y ago
      You told me human endeavors in which "diversity" (which again, means nothing) fosters innovation. But that wasn't my question. I asked what kind of diversity fosters innovation, not what kind of innovation is fostered by diversity
      - aliqot 4y ago
        To err on the side of being as polite as possible: In some grim scenarios, diversity led to certain situations that gave rise to big innovations.
        ElCheapo 4y ago
        aliqot 4y ago
        Im not a bot.
        ElCheapo 4y ago
        I already told you this is not what I asked. Your replies are all over the place and I sincerely am not understanding them. [EDIT] wow, you edited your whole long form reply and just replaced it with "I'm not a bot"? That's such a misleading and dishonest thing to do for everyone reading these posts from now onwards
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  Diversity of world view and human experience foster innovation. If you hire all of the same socioeconomic strata even if they are different races chances are you will not get a wide depth of experience and world view
  - k__ 4y ago
    True, but still better than the alternative.
  - throwaway894345 4y ago
    Often it seems tech companies (and certainly many others) almost explicitly hire people with similar viewpoints--not merely accidentally arriving at homogeneity by way of socioeconomic strata, but by strongly broadcasting ideological statements.
- blockinator 4y ago
  The commonly held definition of 'diversity' needs more diversity - to mean more than skin color quotas.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    Maybe they should do something geographical. Let's say hire a person per country and then start again. You know building actually distributed and diverse teams.
notart666 4y ago
Well Dr.Detroit. Where I'm from in the Midwest. Black people live predominately in homelessness because the white majority just refuses to hire them for jobs. As for many of them as well, they are underemployed even when they seek employment opportunities.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  I am in the midwest, live in a mid size city in the mid west. I live in a Middle Income Neighborhood in the midwest... Demographics of this city I believe are 30% minority and 70% white. Of the 10 Homes owners closest to me (and they are all home owners no rentals) 4 of them are black. My employer has a much larger than 30% black workforce. Homelessness is not a large problem here, however it is primarily white men that I see homeless. probably on the order of 70% matching demographics I am tired of the false narrative that the midwest is racist.
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  - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
    - notart666 4y ago
      I'm not from the cities and am well aware of many issues of rural life and suburbia.
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      >>isn't the midwest also a wasteland of homelessness and druggies? No, We have a big problem with drugs that is true, but I would not call it a "wasteland" AS far a homelessness, it is a problem like it is everywhere but I have never seen anything like what is seen in CA in my life. I would call that a wasteland of homelessness. We have tons and charities, and lower cost of living making our homelessness problem generally transitory, meaning a person is homeless in crisis which is largely corrected by community out reach in a few months. Long Term homelessness is much less of a problem here
speed_spread 4y ago
Of course if 95% of the workforce is currently white and you aim for proportional representation the hiring goals will be to hire more non-whites for until the goal is reached.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  Yes, the goal would be to hire more nonwhites than the company currently employs, but the parent is arguing that his company's goal is to exceed proportional representation.

k__ 4y ago

Diversity can foster innovation.

ElCheapo 4y ago
Didn't know skin pigment contributed to innovation. "Diversity" is empty HR speak, please specify which kind of diversity fosters innovation.
- aliqot 4y ago
  > please specify which kind of diversity fosters innovation To keep an open mind I did a thought experiment and found a few: entertainment, fusion food, music, those things I'd imagine benefit greatly from diversity.
  - ElCheapo 4y ago
    You told me human endeavors in which "diversity" (which again, means nothing) fosters innovation. But that wasn't my question. I asked what kind of diversity fosters innovation, not what kind of innovation is fostered by diversity
    - aliqot 4y ago
      To err on the side of being as polite as possible: In some grim scenarios, diversity led to certain situations that gave rise to big innovations.
      - ElCheapo 4y ago
        aliqot 4y ago
        Im not a bot.
        ElCheapo 4y ago
        I already told you this is not what I asked. Your replies are all over the place and I sincerely am not understanding them. [EDIT] wow, you edited your whole long form reply and just replaced it with "I'm not a bot"? That's such a misleading and dishonest thing to do for everyone reading these posts from now onwards
phpisthebest 4y ago
Diversity of world view and human experience foster innovation. If you hire all of the same socioeconomic strata even if they are different races chances are you will not get a wide depth of experience and world view
- k__ 4y ago
  True, but still better than the alternative.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  Often it seems tech companies (and certainly many others) almost explicitly hire people with similar viewpoints--not merely accidentally arriving at homogeneity by way of socioeconomic strata, but by strongly broadcasting ideological statements.
blockinator 4y ago
The commonly held definition of 'diversity' needs more diversity - to mean more than skin color quotas.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Maybe they should do something geographical. Let's say hire a person per country and then start again. You know building actually distributed and diverse teams.

notart666 4y ago

Well Dr.Detroit. Where I'm from in the Midwest. Black people live predominately in homelessness because the white majority just refuses to hire them for jobs. As for many of them as well, they are underemployed even when they seek employment opportunities.

phpisthebest 4y ago
I am in the midwest, live in a mid size city in the mid west. I live in a Middle Income Neighborhood in the midwest... Demographics of this city I believe are 30% minority and 70% white. Of the 10 Homes owners closest to me (and they are all home owners no rentals) 4 of them are black. My employer has a much larger than 30% black workforce. Homelessness is not a large problem here, however it is primarily white men that I see homeless. probably on the order of 70% matching demographics I am tired of the false narrative that the midwest is racist.
- deleted 4y ago
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- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
  - notart666 4y ago
    I'm not from the cities and am well aware of many issues of rural life and suburbia.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    >>isn't the midwest also a wasteland of homelessness and druggies? No, We have a big problem with drugs that is true, but I would not call it a "wasteland" AS far a homelessness, it is a problem like it is everywhere but I have never seen anything like what is seen in CA in my life. I would call that a wasteland of homelessness. We have tons and charities, and lower cost of living making our homelessness problem generally transitory, meaning a person is homeless in crisis which is largely corrected by community out reach in a few months. Long Term homelessness is much less of a problem here

speed_spread 4y ago

Of course if 95% of the workforce is currently white and you aim for proportional representation the hiring goals will be to hire more non-whites for until the goal is reached.

throwaway894345 4y ago
Yes, the goal would be to hire more nonwhites than the company currently employs, but the parent is arguing that his company's goal is to exceed proportional representation.