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If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "prob

If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "problematic ethnic group" They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups The west is pushing this propaganda because it's a known fact that the US want to split the Chinese territory (Tibetan, Uighurs, Taiwanese) (same with Russia btw) For the same reason they now, publicly announced, want to hinder China's development https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/china-lashes-out-latest-us-export-controls-chips-2996901 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/china-lashes-out-latest...

haswell 4y ago
> They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups This is a gigantic leap to a conclusion that does not logically follow the premise, and ignores evidence that requires no such leaps. I guess it was the inevitable that the Chinese propaganda machine would make its way to HN.
- Kukumber 4y ago
  - haswell 4y ago
    If you’re only aware of blurry videos on Twitter, I’d recommend you do a deeper dive and look at additional reporting on this matter. You don’t have to look very far [0] (just a single example). At least you acknowledge the gigantic leap in your argument. How does one go through the ascension process? - [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chinas-uyghur-detention-camps https://www.bbc.com/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chi...
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      - haswell 4y ago
        > These images are all fake, and obviously so. As a photographer, what about these images is obviously fake? > All the eyes are at an identical pitch Which is evidence of what? Generally, when booking photos are taken, the subject is asked to look at a single spot to preserve consistency and identifiability. > when you go to the source you'll find many of them wearing exactly the same clothes, with exactly the same creases. I find it very unsurprising that people in a prison situation are wearing the same clothes. All of my clothing is also creased in the same places, but this is no big conspiracy, there are just popular ways of folding clothes… I’m always interested in getting the whole story, but you’re going to need to share a less sketchy link…
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        throwaway742 4y ago
        Wow those last two are some pretty bad fakes. The first one I could blame on like file corruption or something, but I can't think of any way to explain the last two.
        yorwba 4y ago
        The one where the "head doesn't connect to the body correctly" shows a man with a tensed sternocleidomastoid muscle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternocleidomastoid_muscle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternocleidomastoid_muscle The one where "it couldn't decide if the glasses existed or not" probably shows a woman wearing cochlear implants behind her ears.
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  - haswell 4y ago
    Coverage of the abuses in these prisons is not limited to a single country or region of the world. And which is “my own” country’s media? It is not intellectual laziness to observe that an account primarily parrots the propaganda of certain repressive governments. Your own account is rather interesting in that regard.
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fritztastic 4y ago
> If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "problematic ethnic group" > They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups Or, they just didn't deem the issue relevant enough to spend the resources to deal with it. China is a large country, some of those ethnic groups exist in remote locations, some very difficult to reach- it has been the case numerous times when a natural disaster occurred and aid was slow to reach those regions because of logistical difficulties. Perhaps it wasn't that they are fine with the ethnic groups, but that they were indifferent and/or deemed them unimportant unless they had sufficient reason to think they warranted the attention/involvement. Mind that just because they didn't want to lower their numbers, doesn't mean they have no issue with those groups, or that they wouldn't have issues with them if the situation and their perception of them changed.
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philliphaydon 4y ago
Taiwan is not part of China. There’s nothing for the US to split.
- bitxbitxbitcoin 4y ago
  I have never met a single person that isn’t a Chinese propogandaist that actually believes Taiwan is a part of China. It’s such an obvious calling card.
  - MickerNews 4y ago
    Literally every country in the world, including the USA, believes that Taiwan is a part of China. You're extremely uninformed on this matter.
    - philliphaydon 4y ago
      The US does not consider Taiwan part of China. The US follows one China policy which is that they acknowdge Chinas position that it believes Taiwan is part of China. That’s like saying “I understand you believe that the sky is pink.” Hence she the US refers to it as strategic ambiguity. This is the same position that the likes of NZ and AU have. So don’t go telling people they are uninformed when clearly you’re just here spreading propaganda.
      - MickerNews 4y ago
        You're just splitting hairs. It's the same picture.
        philliphaydon 4y ago
        There’s a reason why the CCP uses the One China Principle while countries like the US have One China Policy. Don’t forget that the CCP advocated for Taiwan independence, and during an interview Mao said they would help Taiwan (Formosa) in its struggle for independence. During a conference in Moscow in the 1920s they referred to Taiwan as an independent nation and nationality. This only changed in 1943. There’s no long China history with China. When the Dutch went to Taiwan there was no presence of Ming dynasty. And at no point in history had china ever controlled or ruled over Taiwan. The CCP has never even set food in Taiwan. So it literally has no valid claims to Taiwan. Regardless of any opinions you may hold. If that’s splitting hairs then there’s no point in discussing because you obviously don’t care about history or facts and only regurgitate propaganda.
bitxbitxbitcoin 4y ago
Are you aware of the forced marriages to ethnic Han Chinese people? I am having trouble following your logic.
- throwaway742 4y ago
  Source?
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haswell 4y ago

> They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups This is a gigantic leap to a conclusion that does not logically follow the premise, and ignores evidence that requires no such leaps. I guess it was the inevitable that the Chinese propaganda machine would make its way to HN.

Kukumber 4y ago
- haswell 4y ago
  If you’re only aware of blurry videos on Twitter, I’d recommend you do a deeper dive and look at additional reporting on this matter. You don’t have to look very far [0] (just a single example). At least you acknowledge the gigantic leap in your argument. How does one go through the ascension process? - [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chinas-uyghur-detention-camps https://www.bbc.com/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chi...
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    - haswell 4y ago
      > These images are all fake, and obviously so. As a photographer, what about these images is obviously fake? > All the eyes are at an identical pitch Which is evidence of what? Generally, when booking photos are taken, the subject is asked to look at a single spot to preserve consistency and identifiability. > when you go to the source you'll find many of them wearing exactly the same clothes, with exactly the same creases. I find it very unsurprising that people in a prison situation are wearing the same clothes. All of my clothing is also creased in the same places, but this is no big conspiracy, there are just popular ways of folding clothes… I’m always interested in getting the whole story, but you’re going to need to share a less sketchy link…
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        throwaway742 4y ago
        Wow those last two are some pretty bad fakes. The first one I could blame on like file corruption or something, but I can't think of any way to explain the last two.
        yorwba 4y ago
        The one where the "head doesn't connect to the body correctly" shows a man with a tensed sternocleidomastoid muscle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternocleidomastoid_muscle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternocleidomastoid_muscle The one where "it couldn't decide if the glasses existed or not" probably shows a woman wearing cochlear implants behind her ears.
MickerNews 4y ago
- haswell 4y ago
  Coverage of the abuses in these prisons is not limited to a single country or region of the world. And which is “my own” country’s media? It is not intellectual laziness to observe that an account primarily parrots the propaganda of certain repressive governments. Your own account is rather interesting in that regard.
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fritztastic 4y ago

> If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "problematic ethnic group" > They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups Or, they just didn't deem the issue relevant enough to spend the resources to deal with it. China is a large country, some of those ethnic groups exist in remote locations, some very difficult to reach- it has been the case numerous times when a natural disaster occurred and aid was slow to reach those regions because of logistical difficulties. Perhaps it wasn't that they are fine with the ethnic groups, but that they were indifferent and/or deemed them unimportant unless they had sufficient reason to think they warranted the attention/involvement. Mind that just because they didn't want to lower their numbers, doesn't mean they have no issue with those groups, or that they wouldn't have issues with them if the situation and their perception of them changed.

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philliphaydon 4y ago

Taiwan is not part of China. There’s nothing for the US to split.

bitxbitxbitcoin 4y ago
I have never met a single person that isn’t a Chinese propogandaist that actually believes Taiwan is a part of China. It’s such an obvious calling card.
- MickerNews 4y ago
  Literally every country in the world, including the USA, believes that Taiwan is a part of China. You're extremely uninformed on this matter.
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    The US does not consider Taiwan part of China. The US follows one China policy which is that they acknowdge Chinas position that it believes Taiwan is part of China. That’s like saying “I understand you believe that the sky is pink.” Hence she the US refers to it as strategic ambiguity. This is the same position that the likes of NZ and AU have. So don’t go telling people they are uninformed when clearly you’re just here spreading propaganda.
    - MickerNews 4y ago
      You're just splitting hairs. It's the same picture.
      - philliphaydon 4y ago
        There’s a reason why the CCP uses the One China Principle while countries like the US have One China Policy. Don’t forget that the CCP advocated for Taiwan independence, and during an interview Mao said they would help Taiwan (Formosa) in its struggle for independence. During a conference in Moscow in the 1920s they referred to Taiwan as an independent nation and nationality. This only changed in 1943. There’s no long China history with China. When the Dutch went to Taiwan there was no presence of Ming dynasty. And at no point in history had china ever controlled or ruled over Taiwan. The CCP has never even set food in Taiwan. So it literally has no valid claims to Taiwan. Regardless of any opinions you may hold. If that’s splitting hairs then there’s no point in discussing because you obviously don’t care about history or facts and only regurgitate propaganda.

bitxbitxbitcoin 4y ago

Are you aware of the forced marriages to ethnic Han Chinese people? I am having trouble following your logic.

throwaway742 4y ago
Source?
- MickerNews 4y ago
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