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> People are slow to get the message. No they aren't, this is actually the worst propaganda I see these days. People believe climate change is real and they

> People are slow to get the message. No they aren't, this is actually the worst propaganda I see these days. People believe climate change is real and they want to do more to fix it. Even in the most extreme countries (Indonesia, Nigeria, Saudi, etc.,) denialists are maybe 30% of the population. In all of the western world, including USA, public belief in a "climate emergency" is overwhelming in political terms - 65% even at the lower end like USA, the majority of people want to see more action. Far less supported and disliked legislation and policies have been rammed through political systems frequently. The propaganda is that it's some podunk backwater holdouts who somehow wield this vast power over politicians who are the problem and that people still need to be "educated" about climate change. This is a lie. It's not. It's the politicians and their corporate owners who are the problem. And it's not just one side of politics either -- the other side also holds great power but conveniently decides to use it for much less popular actions and things rather than seriously addressing "the greatest threat to humanity". Doens't add up, does it? "The dumb stupid redneck" is a scapegoat. A divisive diversionary tactic used by your politician so you don't hold them accountable.

_ph_ 4y ago
I am not saying you are wrong, but people are definitely the problem too. There are so many denying the climate change or at least not really caring enough to cause any action. And fighting the fight against climate change by e.g. stopping the roll out of renewables. Why are people fighting wind generators, why are so few putting solar cells onto their house roofs? Why are people fighting against electric cars?
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  No, political corruption by fossil fuel industry is the problem. There is overwhelming public support for more action on climate change. Politicians who told you climate change was the most important problem consistently behave contrary to those claims. That's what it comes down to. There are also a bunch of people who don't want it. They're not the problem though because at times when their politicians did not hold enough power to prevent action, there was still no action. Pretty simple test there. If any segment of the public "need education" about the issue before something meaningful will be done, it is actually the voters who support climate change, and what they need to be educated on is the fact that their politicians are failing them and must be held to account.
jfengel 4y ago
There may be overall support, but all of those stupid rednecks belong to the same political party. They make up a supermajority of that party, so even the ones who accept climate change won't vote for any action. And since any action requires a supermajority, even when the redneck party does not control the government, action is impossible. Solutions to climate change are not trivial and there is reasonable disagreement even among those who aren't convinced it's all a Satanic hoax. So there's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm going to start with 80 million delusional paranoiacs.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  > They make up a supermajority of that party Probably not as much as you'd think. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/23/on-climate-change-republicans-are-open-to-some-policy-approaches-even-as-they-assign-the-issue-low-priority/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/23/on-climate-... 42% call it a top or important concern. > And since any action requires a supermajority You say this and yet the party which claims to think climate change is the most important problem facing humanity, an existential threat to the planet, instead decided they'd pass some shitty healthcare legislation written by and for the healthcare industry that did little to improve healthcare, start a few more wars, etc. This is not the behavior of a people who believe what they told you. You're being had. Honestly you can still hate "the rednecks" and recognize they've not been the ones preventing action this whole time.

_ph_ 4y ago

I am not saying you are wrong, but people are definitely the problem too. There are so many denying the climate change or at least not really caring enough to cause any action. And fighting the fight against climate change by e.g. stopping the roll out of renewables. Why are people fighting wind generators, why are so few putting solar cells onto their house roofs? Why are people fighting against electric cars?

throwawaylinux 4y ago
No, political corruption by fossil fuel industry is the problem. There is overwhelming public support for more action on climate change. Politicians who told you climate change was the most important problem consistently behave contrary to those claims. That's what it comes down to. There are also a bunch of people who don't want it. They're not the problem though because at times when their politicians did not hold enough power to prevent action, there was still no action. Pretty simple test there. If any segment of the public "need education" about the issue before something meaningful will be done, it is actually the voters who support climate change, and what they need to be educated on is the fact that their politicians are failing them and must be held to account.

jfengel 4y ago

There may be overall support, but all of those stupid rednecks belong to the same political party. They make up a supermajority of that party, so even the ones who accept climate change won't vote for any action. And since any action requires a supermajority, even when the redneck party does not control the government, action is impossible. Solutions to climate change are not trivial and there is reasonable disagreement even among those who aren't convinced it's all a Satanic hoax. So there's plenty of blame to go around, but I'm going to start with 80 million delusional paranoiacs.

throwawaylinux 4y ago
> They make up a supermajority of that party Probably not as much as you'd think. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/23/on-climate-change-republicans-are-open-to-some-policy-approaches-even-as-they-assign-the-issue-low-priority/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/23/on-climate-... 42% call it a top or important concern. > And since any action requires a supermajority You say this and yet the party which claims to think climate change is the most important problem facing humanity, an existential threat to the planet, instead decided they'd pass some shitty healthcare legislation written by and for the healthcare industry that did little to improve healthcare, start a few more wars, etc. This is not the behavior of a people who believe what they told you. You're being had. Honestly you can still hate "the rednecks" and recognize they've not been the ones preventing action this whole time.