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Very similar in Texas - it is called At Will employment. Other states are Right to Work. Each has pros and cons. I’ve only lived and worked in Texas so At Will

Very similar in Texas - it is called At Will employment. Other states are Right to Work. Each has pros and cons. I’ve only lived and worked in Texas so At Will is very close to “for any reason” as long as it’s not against the law. Don’t like your haircut? They can shut can you on the spot. On the flip side, if one day you go in and you’ve just had enough of the hourly retail job and think you can get a better one, you can up and walk out then and there. Usually we flash the double V for Victory sign and say “Peace out!” when that’s the case. It’s fun. I remember working as a waiter once and the Manager started assigning employees cleaning duties like getting on ladders for ceiling vents. Waiters get paid by tips, salary was $2.13 an hour at the time. When he asked me I told him I wouldn’t do it and would call the Workforce Commission if he wanted to push the issue. Needless to say I was the only front of house person not cleaning shit like a chump that day.

esprehn 4y ago
"Right to work" is a different concept related to unions, and includes Texas: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law All the states are At Will, but a number of them have exceptions that provide certain protections (ex. Not being fired for following the law): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment
- temac 4y ago
  I love how only some are providing the protection of not being fired for following the law. Can they order you to organize a coup, some terrorist acts, or a murder in the others?
astura 4y ago
>it is called At Will employment. Other states are Right to Work. Wtf? No, "right to work" is not the opposite of "at will," they have almost nothing to do with each other. Furthermore, Texas IS a "right to work" state. "Right-to-work" laws are laws that make joining a union not a requirement for employment. All states in the US are "at will" employment.
lucb1e 4y ago
> Usually we flash the double V for Victory sign and say “Peace out!” when that’s the case. It’s fun. Sounds like a good way to burn bridges. If I'd show up to work one day and tell them to suck it up for the next few months of planned projects, I do know what kind of reference my boss would provide to future employers. It's not about loyalty or something, but so long as there isn't anything egregious, it does seem reasonable to me that both sides can expect a notice periods.
- ghaff 4y ago
  >it does seem reasonable to me that both sides can expect a notice periods Two weeks is pretty customary and normal in the US. A few months of planned projects being a reason you "can't" leave really is not. I generally have projects in some stage of planning going out a while. That wouldn't mean I'm effectively tied to an employer for te duration.
  - lucb1e 4y ago
    Being booked out 2-5 months ahead is typical for us. Two weeks is effectively zero notice period because you'll almost always have more remaining days of paid time off than that. If we had to account for N people being able to leave effectively on the spot, we'd not be able to sell more than 8-N persons concurrently (we're a small team), at least not more than a few days ahead. At N=1 person, that's already 13% lower turnover for the whole company. After the trial/probation period where this notice period is not in effect, when I know what the employment is like, I'd much rather get a 13% higher salary and, should I choose to quit, wrap things up properly and do the job for 2-3 more months. (The notice period is not as long as we schedule ahead for: with 2 months' notice, we can find a good freelancer and get the paperwork done without time pressure, or the client can still find another firm in the worst case.) Since I was fine with doing this job for years now, those months seem insignificant for the benefits that go both ways.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      Laws permitting--and I assume any extended notice period would be/should be mutual--companies can put any appropriate terms in their employment contracts. But it's certainly not the norm in the US. I'd expect most common would be two weeks notice and you get paid out for any unused paid time off. For most people, multiple months notice wouldn't work well. Either you quit without an offer in hand and spend half your remaining time job hunting or you have an offer but your potential new employer won't wait more than a month. I'd certainly think very hard before entering into such an arrangement as it would make getting a new job riskier.

esprehn 4y ago

"Right to work" is a different concept related to unions, and includes Texas: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law All the states are At Will, but a number of them have exceptions that provide certain protections (ex. Not being fired for following the law): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

temac 4y ago
I love how only some are providing the protection of not being fired for following the law. Can they order you to organize a coup, some terrorist acts, or a murder in the others?

astura 4y ago

>it is called At Will employment. Other states are Right to Work. Wtf? No, "right to work" is not the opposite of "at will," they have almost nothing to do with each other. Furthermore, Texas IS a "right to work" state. "Right-to-work" laws are laws that make joining a union not a requirement for employment. All states in the US are "at will" employment.

lucb1e 4y ago

> Usually we flash the double V for Victory sign and say “Peace out!” when that’s the case. It’s fun. Sounds like a good way to burn bridges. If I'd show up to work one day and tell them to suck it up for the next few months of planned projects, I do know what kind of reference my boss would provide to future employers. It's not about loyalty or something, but so long as there isn't anything egregious, it does seem reasonable to me that both sides can expect a notice periods.

ghaff 4y ago
>it does seem reasonable to me that both sides can expect a notice periods Two weeks is pretty customary and normal in the US. A few months of planned projects being a reason you "can't" leave really is not. I generally have projects in some stage of planning going out a while. That wouldn't mean I'm effectively tied to an employer for te duration.
- lucb1e 4y ago
  Being booked out 2-5 months ahead is typical for us. Two weeks is effectively zero notice period because you'll almost always have more remaining days of paid time off than that. If we had to account for N people being able to leave effectively on the spot, we'd not be able to sell more than 8-N persons concurrently (we're a small team), at least not more than a few days ahead. At N=1 person, that's already 13% lower turnover for the whole company. After the trial/probation period where this notice period is not in effect, when I know what the employment is like, I'd much rather get a 13% higher salary and, should I choose to quit, wrap things up properly and do the job for 2-3 more months. (The notice period is not as long as we schedule ahead for: with 2 months' notice, we can find a good freelancer and get the paperwork done without time pressure, or the client can still find another firm in the worst case.) Since I was fine with doing this job for years now, those months seem insignificant for the benefits that go both ways.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Laws permitting--and I assume any extended notice period would be/should be mutual--companies can put any appropriate terms in their employment contracts. But it's certainly not the norm in the US. I'd expect most common would be two weeks notice and you get paid out for any unused paid time off. For most people, multiple months notice wouldn't work well. Either you quit without an offer in hand and spend half your remaining time job hunting or you have an offer but your potential new employer won't wait more than a month. I'd certainly think very hard before entering into such an arrangement as it would make getting a new job riskier.