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Or “Russian oligarchs put plutonium in Putin’s coffee”. How long will the rich and poor of Russia put up with the cost of this war?

sgt101 4y ago
I think it's more likely that he retires to the country. Precedent matters if you may be on the other end of it in months/years. Also retirement to the country is not forever, which again is useful in political struggles to come.
- Beltiras 4y ago
  This is exactly why dictators never retire. They would always be a thorn in the new rulers side.
  - ck45 4y ago
    They do retire, but in exile From https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/688225 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/688225 > Exile has been the second most common fate for dictators who lost office since World War II See https://www.upf.edu/documents/2873379/2873034/Dictator_JOP_OnlineAppendix.pdf/c85a98c1-df8f-4735-9695-2adf44ff596a https://www.upf.edu/documents/2873379/2873034/Dictator_JOP_O... for a list of dictators and their destinations from 1946 to 2012
    - sgt101 4y ago
      I was thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev#Life_in_retirement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev#Life_in_reti...
  - EdwardDiego 4y ago
    Often it's because the constitution of their country states that a sitting President can't be brought up on charges - Mugabe is a very obvious example. But don't worry, Yeltsin had Putin's back... > President of Russia, ceased to carry out its mandate, has immunity. They can not be held criminally or administratively liable for acts committed by them during the execution of the President's powers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Russia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Russia
- dsq 4y ago
  History teaches that very rarely do dictators survive a fall. Putin is likely to face the firing squad. No successor could take the chance of leaving him alive.
paganel 4y ago
> Or “Russian oligarchs put plutonium in Putin’s coffee”. Saying that about the US president who was bankrolling a trillion dollars-plus invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan would have put one in jail, interesting to see that when applied to another country is now perfectly ok. Relevant Whitest Kids U' Know sketch [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg3_kUaYFJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg3_kUaYFJA
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  I very much doubt that. Maybe an awkward conversation with the Feds would've ensued while they ascertained if you had access to plutonium, much like the awkward conversation I had with Police when my estranged step-brother was threatening to shoot politicians, and they were trying to ascertain if I'd give him access to my firearms. (Fuck no, obviously.) Given the hyperbole that US politics has descended into, if your theory was true, half of US political Twitter would be in gaol already.
  - paganel 4y ago
    At least writing down that sort of stuff (death wishes against foreign politicians) on a public forum would have been frowned upon and made part of that forum’s TOS, but, as I said, doing this to the boogie man of the day is actually seen as ok. Trump was (is, actually) also seen as a foreign-controlled boogie man, that’s why the open death threats on Twitter and the like were not reaceiving any action, including from Twitter itself. I haven’t seen any direct threats against Biden, more than that, anti-Biden people had to adopt that Brandon slogan thing in order to pass some of the implicit censorship applied by big tech companies.
    - EdwardDiego 4y ago
      > I haven’t seen any direct threats against Biden You're not looking hard enough. Also, see the filth spewed out about any woman who is a minority Democrat congress member. > anti-Biden people had to adopt that Brandon slogan thing They chose to adopt it, your belief that they "had" to is not in alignment with the facts. Given the obvious lineage of "Let's Go Brandon", if your assertion that they chose it to avoid being moderated/banned/imprisoned was true, then why isn't that happening when they mention Brandon? Because we all know what that means. Twitter knows, FB knows, the FBI knows. Stating that this was forced upon them to avoid some mythical persecution carries the implicit assumption that everyone is an idiot who has no idea what they mean, the logic is severely flawed. What I really enjoy about the whole Brandon thing is that their "clever" in-phrase has been co-opted and suborned by young Biden supporters, check out /r/DarkBrandon.

sgt101 4y ago

I think it's more likely that he retires to the country. Precedent matters if you may be on the other end of it in months/years. Also retirement to the country is not forever, which again is useful in political struggles to come.

Beltiras 4y ago
This is exactly why dictators never retire. They would always be a thorn in the new rulers side.
- ck45 4y ago
  They do retire, but in exile From https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/688225 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/688225 > Exile has been the second most common fate for dictators who lost office since World War II See https://www.upf.edu/documents/2873379/2873034/Dictator_JOP_OnlineAppendix.pdf/c85a98c1-df8f-4735-9695-2adf44ff596a https://www.upf.edu/documents/2873379/2873034/Dictator_JOP_O... for a list of dictators and their destinations from 1946 to 2012
  - sgt101 4y ago
    I was thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev#Life_in_retirement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev#Life_in_reti...
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  Often it's because the constitution of their country states that a sitting President can't be brought up on charges - Mugabe is a very obvious example. But don't worry, Yeltsin had Putin's back... > President of Russia, ceased to carry out its mandate, has immunity. They can not be held criminally or administratively liable for acts committed by them during the execution of the President's powers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Russia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Russia
dsq 4y ago
History teaches that very rarely do dictators survive a fall. Putin is likely to face the firing squad. No successor could take the chance of leaving him alive.

paganel 4y ago

> Or “Russian oligarchs put plutonium in Putin’s coffee”. Saying that about the US president who was bankrolling a trillion dollars-plus invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan would have put one in jail, interesting to see that when applied to another country is now perfectly ok. Relevant Whitest Kids U' Know sketch [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg3_kUaYFJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg3_kUaYFJA

EdwardDiego 4y ago
I very much doubt that. Maybe an awkward conversation with the Feds would've ensued while they ascertained if you had access to plutonium, much like the awkward conversation I had with Police when my estranged step-brother was threatening to shoot politicians, and they were trying to ascertain if I'd give him access to my firearms. (Fuck no, obviously.) Given the hyperbole that US politics has descended into, if your theory was true, half of US political Twitter would be in gaol already.
- paganel 4y ago
  At least writing down that sort of stuff (death wishes against foreign politicians) on a public forum would have been frowned upon and made part of that forum’s TOS, but, as I said, doing this to the boogie man of the day is actually seen as ok. Trump was (is, actually) also seen as a foreign-controlled boogie man, that’s why the open death threats on Twitter and the like were not reaceiving any action, including from Twitter itself. I haven’t seen any direct threats against Biden, more than that, anti-Biden people had to adopt that Brandon slogan thing in order to pass some of the implicit censorship applied by big tech companies.
  - EdwardDiego 4y ago
    > I haven’t seen any direct threats against Biden You're not looking hard enough. Also, see the filth spewed out about any woman who is a minority Democrat congress member. > anti-Biden people had to adopt that Brandon slogan thing They chose to adopt it, your belief that they "had" to is not in alignment with the facts. Given the obvious lineage of "Let's Go Brandon", if your assertion that they chose it to avoid being moderated/banned/imprisoned was true, then why isn't that happening when they mention Brandon? Because we all know what that means. Twitter knows, FB knows, the FBI knows. Stating that this was forced upon them to avoid some mythical persecution carries the implicit assumption that everyone is an idiot who has no idea what they mean, the logic is severely flawed. What I really enjoy about the whole Brandon thing is that their "clever" in-phrase has been co-opted and suborned by young Biden supporters, check out /r/DarkBrandon.