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> (in the US vegetarian options are dwindling and vegan options rising) I think you must mean "option," singular. In most restaurants, not counting salad, if a

> (in the US vegetarian options are dwindling and vegan options rising) I think you must mean "option," singular. In most restaurants, not counting salad, if a veggie entree is there at all, it is one single menu option. It should be easy to eat vegan or vegetarian, and easy to eat healthy in general, but it definitely is not. For some twisted reason (greed, probably), there is at least a little animal product and copious amounts of salt, sugar and weird chemicals in nearly everything. What we need is a crazy vegan/vegetarian billionaire to come along and flood the food market with healthy food options, so you'd have to go out of your way to eat crap, pretty much the opposite of the way it is now and has been for a long time.

benj111 4y ago
How often do you go out to restaurants? If I go out I want to indulge myself, not calorie count.
- Maursault 4y ago
  > How often do you go out to restaurants? Leas and less, and I live in a rural area with many horrid examples, but I like Americana grills, and I order off the menu because there is nothing on those menus without meat, usually ordering a cheesesteak without the meat, add some more peppers and mushrooms to compensate. There actually is a vegan/vegetarian restaurant in this one horse town, but like all others I have experienced, the menu tries too hard to be interesting, unrecognizably so, and the menu items are 3-5 times more expensive than a burger, fries and a coke, which I no longer eat. They only serve pasta cold in salad, leaving that whole pasta world that could easily be vegan unaddressed. And I definitely don't care about too many calories, the major concern here is not getting enough calories. If not for bread, rice and pasta, which I eat at home with whatever fruit and vegetables I have that haven't spoiled, I would have starved long ago. The tomato is the most versatile fruit I know, and I eat slices as though they were raw meat.
  - benj111 4y ago
    Ok. Your post seemed to be coming from a health perspective. I don't really want my restaurant food being healthy, I want it to be nice I can eat healthily at home. But then I don't mind expensive restaurants. Id rather have something expensive and nice occasionally than having something I could have cooked better myself.
    - Maursault 4y ago
      I wish I could eat your food. The fact is, I'm not creative. What do you eat at home?
      - benj111 4y ago
        All sorts. My vegetarian repertoire is limited though. I would recommend yotam ottolenghi's mejedra https://mustardwithmutton.com/2015/09/22/ottolenghis-mejadra-spiced-rice-with-lentils-caramelised-onions/ https://mustardwithmutton.com/2015/09/22/ottolenghis-mejadra... More generally I would just look out for recipe books that inspire you, once you've learnt a few different cusinines and have all the spices etc you get a feeling for what works. My 'creativity' just comes from creating something from the food that's in the fridge. Italian and Indian tend to be the best cuisines I've found with regards to not requiring meat. Far Eastern is ok too, if you eat shrimp paste, oyster sauce etc.
        Maursault 4y ago
        Thanks!

benj111 4y ago

How often do you go out to restaurants? If I go out I want to indulge myself, not calorie count.

Maursault 4y ago
> How often do you go out to restaurants? Leas and less, and I live in a rural area with many horrid examples, but I like Americana grills, and I order off the menu because there is nothing on those menus without meat, usually ordering a cheesesteak without the meat, add some more peppers and mushrooms to compensate. There actually is a vegan/vegetarian restaurant in this one horse town, but like all others I have experienced, the menu tries too hard to be interesting, unrecognizably so, and the menu items are 3-5 times more expensive than a burger, fries and a coke, which I no longer eat. They only serve pasta cold in salad, leaving that whole pasta world that could easily be vegan unaddressed. And I definitely don't care about too many calories, the major concern here is not getting enough calories. If not for bread, rice and pasta, which I eat at home with whatever fruit and vegetables I have that haven't spoiled, I would have starved long ago. The tomato is the most versatile fruit I know, and I eat slices as though they were raw meat.
- benj111 4y ago
  Ok. Your post seemed to be coming from a health perspective. I don't really want my restaurant food being healthy, I want it to be nice I can eat healthily at home. But then I don't mind expensive restaurants. Id rather have something expensive and nice occasionally than having something I could have cooked better myself.
  - Maursault 4y ago
    I wish I could eat your food. The fact is, I'm not creative. What do you eat at home?
    - benj111 4y ago
      All sorts. My vegetarian repertoire is limited though. I would recommend yotam ottolenghi's mejedra https://mustardwithmutton.com/2015/09/22/ottolenghis-mejadra-spiced-rice-with-lentils-caramelised-onions/ https://mustardwithmutton.com/2015/09/22/ottolenghis-mejadra... More generally I would just look out for recipe books that inspire you, once you've learnt a few different cusinines and have all the spices etc you get a feeling for what works. My 'creativity' just comes from creating something from the food that's in the fridge. Italian and Indian tend to be the best cuisines I've found with regards to not requiring meat. Far Eastern is ok too, if you eat shrimp paste, oyster sauce etc.
      - Maursault 4y ago
        Thanks!