In my scenario, it's not like I'm saying JavaScript frameworks can't or shouldn't exist. My point is they have become the default and I don't think they should

In my scenario, it's not like I'm saying JavaScript frameworks can't or shouldn't exist. My point is they have become the default and I don't think they should be. We will always need JS frameworks. It's where some of our best ideas have come from. I just think it's time that some of the most successful ideas make it into the standards.