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That is not cool and should be the headline. Maybe it's time to start looking for another distro if Ubuntu's time is coming to an end.

timbit42 4y ago
I left Ubuntu when they started pushing snaps. Linux Mint and Debian are much better.
- rhamzeh 4y ago
  I personally chose Fedora Silverblue (that has been amazing!) after after all those snaps. I've never had an easier and more seamless time upgrading across major versions, and that includes my previous experience with Ubuntu, Arch, Mac, Android, Windows and Debian. Luckily for me, I was already into podman and flatpak on Ubuntu, so swiching wasn't hard beyond forgetting that I can't do apt anymore every once in a while. Debian would have been my choice bad silverblue not worked worked for me.
  - dTal 4y ago
    Arch doesn't have "major versions".
    - rhamzeh 4y ago
      My experience back then (10~12 years ago) with Arch was issues upgrading in general, granted I was using it wrong, but in one instance I remember the networking daemon got upgraded, but there was no uodates for something core that depended on it which lead to a non-functioning network until I managed to copy files over USB and revert.
- spinlock 4y ago
  I don’t understand snaps. They really make me only want to run Debian.
  - timbit42 4y ago
    The benefit of snaps is that developers only need to produce one file which will work on all Linux distros, but that means it doesn't integrate properly with any Linux distro. Flatpaks seem better than snaps but I don't like them either.
- wrycoder 4y ago
  And I left Debian when they started pushing systemd. Currently a happy user of Devuan. But just keep pushing. And I'll keep moving.
mekster 4y ago
Funny people are willing to leave with just 1 text banner which you can turn off. Ubuntu is providing so much value on the server end, having predictable LTS release, quite up to date packages, easy to use zfs and solid experience, it seems people's use cases are for hobby only which has many alternatives.
- version_five 4y ago
  > Funny people are willing to leave with just 1 text banner which you can turn off. I'm not interested in using ad-supported versions of products, period. Especially for work. I don't care what their other redeeming qualities are. Even just dipping their toe into the freemium/nagware world signals to me that they're moving away from shipping a professional grade product (ironic given that's what they're advertising). I don't buy into "what's the big deal" type arguments like the parent post. Same as I'd cancel netflix even if they just showed a 2 second ad before a movie. I want to be a customer, not a vehicle for advertising. The fact that this is an open source software project makes me even more sensitive to it, because I don't want to see OSS become some sort of scam that teases what companies really want to sell you.
  - mekster 4y ago
    > I want to be a customer Bet you're not the type to pay for a product. It's easy to say you want to move on with 1 tiny annoyance, but when you start providing services to people, you'd realize you need to make a life out of it. You also seem to have a very wrong sense of open source definition that they must be free and ad free, but that's just in your free riding mind.
    - version_five 4y ago
      Wow, why are you fighting angrily with strangers about this? "My free riding mind?" So we disagree about advertising, no reason to be so angry

timbit42 4y ago

I left Ubuntu when they started pushing snaps. Linux Mint and Debian are much better.

rhamzeh 4y ago
I personally chose Fedora Silverblue (that has been amazing!) after after all those snaps. I've never had an easier and more seamless time upgrading across major versions, and that includes my previous experience with Ubuntu, Arch, Mac, Android, Windows and Debian. Luckily for me, I was already into podman and flatpak on Ubuntu, so swiching wasn't hard beyond forgetting that I can't do apt anymore every once in a while. Debian would have been my choice bad silverblue not worked worked for me.
- dTal 4y ago
  Arch doesn't have "major versions".
  - rhamzeh 4y ago
    My experience back then (10~12 years ago) with Arch was issues upgrading in general, granted I was using it wrong, but in one instance I remember the networking daemon got upgraded, but there was no uodates for something core that depended on it which lead to a non-functioning network until I managed to copy files over USB and revert.
spinlock 4y ago
I don’t understand snaps. They really make me only want to run Debian.
- timbit42 4y ago
  The benefit of snaps is that developers only need to produce one file which will work on all Linux distros, but that means it doesn't integrate properly with any Linux distro. Flatpaks seem better than snaps but I don't like them either.
wrycoder 4y ago
And I left Debian when they started pushing systemd. Currently a happy user of Devuan. But just keep pushing. And I'll keep moving.

mekster 4y ago

Funny people are willing to leave with just 1 text banner which you can turn off. Ubuntu is providing so much value on the server end, having predictable LTS release, quite up to date packages, easy to use zfs and solid experience, it seems people's use cases are for hobby only which has many alternatives.

version_five 4y ago
> Funny people are willing to leave with just 1 text banner which you can turn off. I'm not interested in using ad-supported versions of products, period. Especially for work. I don't care what their other redeeming qualities are. Even just dipping their toe into the freemium/nagware world signals to me that they're moving away from shipping a professional grade product (ironic given that's what they're advertising). I don't buy into "what's the big deal" type arguments like the parent post. Same as I'd cancel netflix even if they just showed a 2 second ad before a movie. I want to be a customer, not a vehicle for advertising. The fact that this is an open source software project makes me even more sensitive to it, because I don't want to see OSS become some sort of scam that teases what companies really want to sell you.
- mekster 4y ago
  > I want to be a customer Bet you're not the type to pay for a product. It's easy to say you want to move on with 1 tiny annoyance, but when you start providing services to people, you'd realize you need to make a life out of it. You also seem to have a very wrong sense of open source definition that they must be free and ad free, but that's just in your free riding mind.
  - version_five 4y ago
    Wow, why are you fighting angrily with strangers about this? "My free riding mind?" So we disagree about advertising, no reason to be so angry