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My reading is that AirTags are permitted by IATA regulations. [0] indicates that a small Lithium-metal battery, as is installed in an AirTag, can be transporte

by Youden 4y ago

My reading is that AirTags are permitted by IATA regulations. [0] indicates that a small Lithium-metal battery, as is installed in an AirTag, can be transported as cargo on a passenger aircraft. [1] indicates that low-powered communications like Bluetooth are permitted from active devices transported as cargo (page 9, item 3). Am I missing something? [0]: https://www.iata.org/contentassets/05e6d8742b0047259bf3a700bc9d42b9/lithium-battery-guidance-document.pdf https://www.iata.org/contentassets/05e6d8742b0047259bf3a700b... [1]: https://www.iata.org/contentassets/05e6d8742b0047259bf3a700bc9d42b9/lithium-battery-guidance-document-2021-for-pharma-en.pdf https://www.iata.org/contentassets/05e6d8742b0047259bf3a700b...

layer8 4y ago
For electronic devices containing lithium batteries, the ICAO regulations mandate that “if devices are carried in checked baggage: — measures must be taken to prevent unintentional activation and to protect the devices from damage; and — the devices must be completely switched off (not in sleep or hibernation mode);” Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33128614 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33128614
- fphhotchips 4y ago
  GP is making the assertion that Airtags are cargo tracking devices powered by a button cell, which this document issued in 2021 (note the document referenced in that thread is from 2017) appears to exempt from those requirements (both from a battery point of view, and from the wireless signal one). IMO it's hard to argue that they're not, but then the question in my mind becomes "is checked baggage cargo?" for the purpose of these rules. No idea.
  - layer8 4y ago
    The GP is referencing IATA, while I was referencing ICAO (same as Lufthansa did). Not sure if they conflict, or how such a conflict would be resolved.
splonk 4y ago
Passenger checked luggage isn't the same as cargo. Your first reference links to [0] for passenger guidance, which includes the following: "If devices are carried in checked baggage: • measures must be taken to protect the device from damage and to prevent unintentional activation; • the device must be completely switched off (not in sleep or hibernation mode)" Alternative reference (IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations (for passengers and crew)), effective Jan 2022 [1]: "Lithium Batteries: Portable electronic devices (PED) containing lithium metal or lithium ion cells or batteries, including medical devices such as portable oxygen concentrators (POC) and consumer electronics such as cameras, mobile phones, laptops and tablets (see 2.3.5.8). For lithium metal batteries the lithium metal content must not exceed 2 g and for lithium ion batteries the Watt-hour rating must not exceed 100 Wh. Devices in checked baggage must be completely switched off and must be protected from damage. Each person is limited to a maximum of 15 PED." [0]: https://www.iata.org/contentassets/6fea26dd84d24b26a7a1fd5788561d6e/passenger-lithium-battery.pdf https://www.iata.org/contentassets/6fea26dd84d24b26a7a1fd578... [1]: https://www.iata.org/contentassets/6fea26dd84d24b26a7a1fd5788561d6e/dgr-63-en-2.3.a.pdf https://www.iata.org/contentassets/6fea26dd84d24b26a7a1fd578...

by Youden 4y ago

layer8 4y ago

For electronic devices containing lithium batteries, the ICAO regulations mandate that “if devices are carried in checked baggage: — measures must be taken to prevent unintentional activation and to protect the devices from damage; and — the devices must be completely switched off (not in sleep or hibernation mode);” Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33128614 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33128614

fphhotchips 4y ago
GP is making the assertion that Airtags are cargo tracking devices powered by a button cell, which this document issued in 2021 (note the document referenced in that thread is from 2017) appears to exempt from those requirements (both from a battery point of view, and from the wireless signal one). IMO it's hard to argue that they're not, but then the question in my mind becomes "is checked baggage cargo?" for the purpose of these rules. No idea.
- layer8 4y ago
  The GP is referencing IATA, while I was referencing ICAO (same as Lufthansa did). Not sure if they conflict, or how such a conflict would be resolved.

splonk 4y ago

Passenger checked luggage isn't the same as cargo. Your first reference links to [0] for passenger guidance, which includes the following: "If devices are carried in checked baggage: • measures must be taken to protect the device from damage and to prevent unintentional activation; • the device must be completely switched off (not in sleep or hibernation mode)" Alternative reference (IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations (for passengers and crew)), effective Jan 2022 [1]: "Lithium Batteries: Portable electronic devices (PED) containing lithium metal or lithium ion cells or batteries, including medical devices such as portable oxygen concentrators (POC) and consumer electronics such as cameras, mobile phones, laptops and tablets (see 2.3.5.8). For lithium metal batteries the lithium metal content must not exceed 2 g and for lithium ion batteries the Watt-hour rating must not exceed 100 Wh. Devices in checked baggage must be completely switched off and must be protected from damage. Each person is limited to a maximum of 15 PED." [0]: https://www.iata.org/contentassets/6fea26dd84d24b26a7a1fd5788561d6e/passenger-lithium-battery.pdf https://www.iata.org/contentassets/6fea26dd84d24b26a7a1fd578... [1]: https://www.iata.org/contentassets/6fea26dd84d24b26a7a1fd5788561d6e/dgr-63-en-2.3.a.pdf https://www.iata.org/contentassets/6fea26dd84d24b26a7a1fd578...