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Real war is on the streets, people dying, and it is unacceptable. Meanwhile, propaganda in social media, with all these memes, jokes and threats, and are very d

Real war is on the streets, people dying, and it is unacceptable. Meanwhile, propaganda in social media, with all these memes, jokes and threats, and are very disturbing and sickening, because they take worst from real war, inhuman and twisted jokes and package them in meme content for everyone to consume. All this was unimaginable 10 years ago. Also, in my opinion, the worst war propaganda content comes from pro Ukraine usernames, I can not explain why, and what is the point. Bridge is partially reopened for traffic [1] [1] https://www.rt.com/russia/564303-crimean-bridge-traffic-resumed/ https://www.rt.com/russia/564303-crimean-bridge-traffic-resu...

mlindner 4y ago
I find your post disingenuous and possibly propaganda itself, especially because you're quoting a Russian government news source in your post. The thing that is unacceptable is the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Nothing about Ukraine trying to push the invaders out of it's own country in any means they can is unacceptable. The memes and jokes in media are trying to turn something extremely grim into something a little more lighthearted to release stress. Otherwise people would lose their minds amidst all the tortures, mass murders of civilians and other activities being performed upon Ukrainian civilians by the Russian invaders. And yes, social media being heavily involved would be something unimaginable 10 years ago, because the proliferation of cell phones has now reached much of the world, giving us direct access to the horrors of war. And no, the worst war propaganda comes from Russia where they literally advocate for the elimination of Ukrainian civilians among other atrocities.
- diimdeep 4y ago
  > I find your post disingenuous and possibly propaganda itself, especially because you're quoting a Russian government news source in your post. Instead of humble meta discussion about propaganda, you mark my point of view as propaganda, which in turn reads as propaganda itself. I would happily quote some top western news media, only if it would not be completely one-sided. There is no democracy anymore there, where you paint one-sided picture and block other sides news sources. > The memes and jokes in media are trying to turn something extremely grim into something a little more lighthearted to release stress. I would argue that it is unethical, and mostly about warmongering and not stress release. > all the tortures, mass murders of civilians and other activities being performed upon Ukrainian civilians by the Russian invaders. > And no, worst war propaganda comes from Russia where they literally advocate for the elimination of Ukrainian civilians among other atrocities. Either that or you live in a media bubble so different, that our opinions exactly opposite. Thankfully, it is just an opinion, and not a ground truth.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    > I would happily quote some top western news media, only if it would not be completely one-sided. There is no democracy anymore there, where you paint one-sided picture and block other sides news sources. That kind of argument doesn't work when you're listening to literally state-run media of the enemy. You could compare and contrast RT versus say Voice of America or Radio Free Europe, but not versus independent reporting. RT is by definition "one-sided". They have only one interest, the Russian government interest. > I would argue that it is unethical, and mostly about warmongering and not stress release. You call the praising of liberators and freeing of people from the oppression of their murderers and rapists as "warmongering"? > Either that or you live in a media bubble so different, that our opinions exactly opposite. Thankfully, it is just an opinion, and not a ground truth. If all you listen to is RT and related outlets, then it's no wonder you have lost the ability for independent thought.
    - diimdeep 4y ago
      > That kind of argument doesn't work when you're listening to literally state-run media There is no difference at this point whether it is state-run or privately owned, if it behaves like a propaganda machine — it is a propaganda machine. So-called independent reporting completely lost credibility in recent years, particularly in politics, seems like it is not possible to have independent reporting, it is by virtue codependent on the state it is created within. > media of the enemy That is one way to put it, but there are other ways, friend. > all you listen to is RT and related outlets > no wonder you have lost the ability for independent thought No, I peak pretty broadly, including Spiegel, NY Times, WP, Guardian, aljazeera, and RT and related outlets are nonetheless decent news sources. To ignore it, is to deny realty on the other side of the fog of war. > mass murders of civilians > praising of liberators > oppression of their murderers and rapists > turn something extremely grim into something a little more lighthearted This is all unverified due to the fog of war, and to create derivative in the form of lighthearted jokes and memes is to be a propaganda tool on behalf of ruling elites.
      - mopsi 4y ago
        > RT and related outlets are nonetheless decent news sources They are a part of state propaganda apparatus, with editorial board directly controlled by Putin's administration. To equate that with the likes of der Spiegel and the Guardian is just laughable. No, your "media" and our media are not the same. NYT, der Spiegel, the Guardian et al have had their share of sloppy reporting, but Biden, Truss and Scholz don't get to say what they write about and what tone they use. That's a whole different level. > This is all unverified due to the fog of war No it's not, you're just in denial because accepting the truth would place you in the same bracket as Germans in 1945. It's far easier to come up with all kinds of excuses and whataboutisms than actually emotionally process and accept that. Judging by the Germans, many of you will never able to process it and will keep saying that the Fuehrer did nothing wrong and that the atrocities were made up or at least blown out of proportion.

mlindner 4y ago

I find your post disingenuous and possibly propaganda itself, especially because you're quoting a Russian government news source in your post. The thing that is unacceptable is the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Nothing about Ukraine trying to push the invaders out of it's own country in any means they can is unacceptable. The memes and jokes in media are trying to turn something extremely grim into something a little more lighthearted to release stress. Otherwise people would lose their minds amidst all the tortures, mass murders of civilians and other activities being performed upon Ukrainian civilians by the Russian invaders. And yes, social media being heavily involved would be something unimaginable 10 years ago, because the proliferation of cell phones has now reached much of the world, giving us direct access to the horrors of war. And no, the worst war propaganda comes from Russia where they literally advocate for the elimination of Ukrainian civilians among other atrocities.

diimdeep 4y ago
> I find your post disingenuous and possibly propaganda itself, especially because you're quoting a Russian government news source in your post. Instead of humble meta discussion about propaganda, you mark my point of view as propaganda, which in turn reads as propaganda itself. I would happily quote some top western news media, only if it would not be completely one-sided. There is no democracy anymore there, where you paint one-sided picture and block other sides news sources. > The memes and jokes in media are trying to turn something extremely grim into something a little more lighthearted to release stress. I would argue that it is unethical, and mostly about warmongering and not stress release. > all the tortures, mass murders of civilians and other activities being performed upon Ukrainian civilians by the Russian invaders. > And no, worst war propaganda comes from Russia where they literally advocate for the elimination of Ukrainian civilians among other atrocities. Either that or you live in a media bubble so different, that our opinions exactly opposite. Thankfully, it is just an opinion, and not a ground truth.
- mlindner 4y ago
  > I would happily quote some top western news media, only if it would not be completely one-sided. There is no democracy anymore there, where you paint one-sided picture and block other sides news sources. That kind of argument doesn't work when you're listening to literally state-run media of the enemy. You could compare and contrast RT versus say Voice of America or Radio Free Europe, but not versus independent reporting. RT is by definition "one-sided". They have only one interest, the Russian government interest. > I would argue that it is unethical, and mostly about warmongering and not stress release. You call the praising of liberators and freeing of people from the oppression of their murderers and rapists as "warmongering"? > Either that or you live in a media bubble so different, that our opinions exactly opposite. Thankfully, it is just an opinion, and not a ground truth. If all you listen to is RT and related outlets, then it's no wonder you have lost the ability for independent thought.
  - diimdeep 4y ago
    > That kind of argument doesn't work when you're listening to literally state-run media There is no difference at this point whether it is state-run or privately owned, if it behaves like a propaganda machine — it is a propaganda machine. So-called independent reporting completely lost credibility in recent years, particularly in politics, seems like it is not possible to have independent reporting, it is by virtue codependent on the state it is created within. > media of the enemy That is one way to put it, but there are other ways, friend. > all you listen to is RT and related outlets > no wonder you have lost the ability for independent thought No, I peak pretty broadly, including Spiegel, NY Times, WP, Guardian, aljazeera, and RT and related outlets are nonetheless decent news sources. To ignore it, is to deny realty on the other side of the fog of war. > mass murders of civilians > praising of liberators > oppression of their murderers and rapists > turn something extremely grim into something a little more lighthearted This is all unverified due to the fog of war, and to create derivative in the form of lighthearted jokes and memes is to be a propaganda tool on behalf of ruling elites.
    - mopsi 4y ago
      > RT and related outlets are nonetheless decent news sources They are a part of state propaganda apparatus, with editorial board directly controlled by Putin's administration. To equate that with the likes of der Spiegel and the Guardian is just laughable. No, your "media" and our media are not the same. NYT, der Spiegel, the Guardian et al have had their share of sloppy reporting, but Biden, Truss and Scholz don't get to say what they write about and what tone they use. That's a whole different level. > This is all unverified due to the fog of war No it's not, you're just in denial because accepting the truth would place you in the same bracket as Germans in 1945. It's far easier to come up with all kinds of excuses and whataboutisms than actually emotionally process and accept that. Judging by the Germans, many of you will never able to process it and will keep saying that the Fuehrer did nothing wrong and that the atrocities were made up or at least blown out of proportion.