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Would someone with more knowledge explain how Usenet has managed to be resilient to legal and/or technical shutdown in the face of rampant piracy that has seemi

Would someone with more knowledge explain how Usenet has managed to be resilient to legal and/or technical shutdown in the face of rampant piracy that has seemingly always existed there?

collegeburner 4y ago
isps stopped providing it years ago and it's way too obscure to be mainstream. torrents are lower barrier to entry so they get the heat though nzb indexers sometimes get killed.
pacifika 4y ago
Decentralisation of roles
doublerabbit 4y ago
Before the industry caught on that content were being shared via USENET you could download a film off an usenet provider with no issues. Maybe some PAR2s to repair a broken download but mostly ended up at 100%. Nowadays the industries launch DMCAs, the provider complies. Providers, to fulfill the requests tend to remove parts of the archive rather than all. If can't download rar part 22,23 you can't complete the movie. They've done their part. The movie "The HackerNews" has 20 rar parts, usenet provider #1 has 1-18 rar parts and 19-20 rar parts are missing. usenet provider #2 has 16-20 rar parts but missing 1-15. Combine two or more backbackbone providers and you can grab all files. PAR2 is a godsend, and usenet is a hidden cave of treasure. A cool map of usenet providers and backbones [1] [1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Usenet_Providers_and_Backbones.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Usenet_P...
- daveevad 4y ago
  Thank you for the insight. If I'm understanding it correctly, this implies that some of the USENET providers are not subject to DMCA. Is that the primary reason piracy has not been stamped out there, in your opinion?
  - doublerabbit 4y ago
    I would agree. Usenet works with the holdng company, the backbone provider and the reseller. Where the company is based would be if an DMCA has to be complied. As backbone providers normally serve usenet servers in the NL, and the USA. USA we all know; the Netherlands, "best effort" hence deletion of rar parts.
gruez 4y ago
It costs money, is not very convenient, and the companies operate with plausible deniability similar to digital locker sites (eg. megaupload). Actually, come to think of it usenet is basically digital locker sites of yesteryear, with steeper barrier to entry.

Would someone with more knowledge explain how Usenet has managed to be resilient to legal and/or technical shutdown in the face of rampant piracy that has seemingly always existed there?

collegeburner 4y ago

isps stopped providing it years ago and it's way too obscure to be mainstream. torrents are lower barrier to entry so they get the heat though nzb indexers sometimes get killed.

pacifika 4y ago

Decentralisation of roles

doublerabbit 4y ago

Before the industry caught on that content were being shared via USENET you could download a film off an usenet provider with no issues. Maybe some PAR2s to repair a broken download but mostly ended up at 100%. Nowadays the industries launch DMCAs, the provider complies. Providers, to fulfill the requests tend to remove parts of the archive rather than all. If can't download rar part 22,23 you can't complete the movie. They've done their part. The movie "The HackerNews" has 20 rar parts, usenet provider #1 has 1-18 rar parts and 19-20 rar parts are missing. usenet provider #2 has 16-20 rar parts but missing 1-15. Combine two or more backbackbone providers and you can grab all files. PAR2 is a godsend, and usenet is a hidden cave of treasure. A cool map of usenet providers and backbones [1] [1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Usenet_Providers_and_Backbones.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Usenet_P...

daveevad 4y ago
Thank you for the insight. If I'm understanding it correctly, this implies that some of the USENET providers are not subject to DMCA. Is that the primary reason piracy has not been stamped out there, in your opinion?
- doublerabbit 4y ago
  I would agree. Usenet works with the holdng company, the backbone provider and the reseller. Where the company is based would be if an DMCA has to be complied. As backbone providers normally serve usenet servers in the NL, and the USA. USA we all know; the Netherlands, "best effort" hence deletion of rar parts.

gruez 4y ago

It costs money, is not very convenient, and the companies operate with plausible deniability similar to digital locker sites (eg. megaupload). Actually, come to think of it usenet is basically digital locker sites of yesteryear, with steeper barrier to entry.