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>demonetized because I cover the war I understand his instinct to self-title his video as "I cover the war" which implies a noble journalistic service for view

by jasode 4y ago

>demonetized because I cover the war I understand his instinct to self-title his video as "I cover the war" which implies a noble journalistic service for viewers but in comparing other youtube channels talking about Ukraine that did not get de-monetized, I'm guessing his type of content crosses the line. E.g. one of his videos shows a grenade being dropped on a soldier while he has his pants down taking a dump. His commentary is to joke about it and vocalize a "boom" sound effect. The video is not blurred out and he did not set the "age restricted" flag. I won't link the video directly but you can easily find it. Another perspective to look at the above scenario... if Google Youtube splits ad revenue 55% creator + 45% to Google.... Is the public ok with Google getting 45% of ad money from someone cheerleading a war death? That's not a rhetorical question. I didn't do a survey so I really don't know what the answer is. I noticed that several other Youtube channels cover Ukraine topics without getting demonetized: https://www.youtube.com/c/RealLifeLore/search?query=ukraine https://www.youtube.com/c/RealLifeLore/search?query=ukraine https://www.youtube.com/c/Taskandpurpose/search?query=ukraine https://www.youtube.com/c/Taskandpurpose/search?query=ukrain... https://www.youtube.com/c/CaspianReport/search?query=ukraine https://www.youtube.com/c/CaspianReport/search?query=ukraine I'm guessing those channels will be fine because they don't show raw war footage while jeering at human suffering. I don't know if Youtube automatically demonetizes because of an algorithm sweeping through the channels or there was a human that decided his particular channel.

topynate 4y ago
The term 'demonetization' can be misleading. It's the creator who is demonetized on a demonetized video or channel. YouTube still often shows ads on such videos, it just keeps all the money instead of 45% of it.
- londons_explore 4y ago
  Is this true? I don't think they show any pre-roll ads, mid roll ads or post roll ads on demonetizrd content. The only ad they show is a regular display and on the right hand side out of the video frame, and as far as I know revenue from that ad is never given to the creator anyway.
  - topynate 4y ago
    See for instance the replies to this guy's clever idea yesterday: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubers/comments/xxlkvi/using_demonetization_to_remove_ads_off_my_own/ https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubers/comments/xxlkvi/using_dem... It may depend on what country you're in or if you're on mobile or not. I wouldn't know for certain, I'm a uBO/NewPipe man.
- jasode 4y ago
  > It's the creator who is demonetized on a demonetized video or channel. YouTube still often shows ads on such videos, it just keeps all the money instead of 45% of it. I may be wrong but I don't see evidence that Youtube continues showing ads on demonetized content like these explicit Ukraine war videos. The reason is that the advertisers who pay money to Google don't want their brands associated with certain types of lurid content. (See Adpocalypse: https://www.google.com/search?q=biggest+advertisers+abandon+youtube+adpocalypse https://www.google.com/search?q=biggest+advertisers+abandon+...) So, Google is being extra strict with ads on these videos to avoid an angry call from a giant advertiser like Proctor & Gamble complaining, "Why are you showing my dish soap ads on a video of a naked guy getting killed while pooping?!?" (E.g.: https://www.tubefilter.com/2018/04/20/pg-resumes-youtube-spend-new-ad-controversy/ https://www.tubefilter.com/2018/04/20/pg-resumes-youtube-spe...) There also may be some confusion about some videos with ads and creators not getting the money: the creator has not been accepted into the Partner Program for revenue sharing. Yes, in those cases, the creators are not getting ad $$$ -- even for safe advertiser-friendly videos. But these Ukraine demonetization videos seem more like not repeating the Adpocalypse debacle and Google will not run ads on them. Of course, Google/Youtube's system isn't perfect so there will be false-positives. Will there be indecent videos that Google improperly display ads on? Yes. Will there also be high-quality channels that got unfairly demonetized even if advertisers would have no objection to their content? Yes.
  - topynate 4y ago
    I just opened the YouTube android app and looked at some videos from this channel. I saw three ads from about 15 videos watched. I then looked at some videos from an apolitical channel I'm subscribed to and saw considerably more ads. They also seemed to be 'higher quality' in some sense. The ads on the Ukraine channel were for things like an earwax removal tool. The ads on the other channel were for luxury sunglasses, a political party†, and so on. You're quite right that there's some confusion between Partner Program eligibility and demonetization proper. This Ukraine war creator actually talks about being removed from the Partner Program in the video linked in this post. † It was a deepfake of the current Israeli Prime Minister explaining why I should vote for Shas, a party of which he is most definitely not a member. Not relevant to this issue but too crazy not to mention.
kortex 4y ago
I watch this channel on the regular and... yeeeahhhh this is right on the money. It's definitely not neutral journalistic reporting of the war, and plays pretty fast and loose with "footage that some viewers might find disturbing". Heck, his catchphrase, "Knock em out cold" is pretty obviously a euphemism for killing russian soldiers. If anything I'm surprised he has survived this long without being demonetized or straight up stricken out (Cody's Lab nearly got struck out for far less).
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rossdavidh 4y ago
So, you raise some interesting points, but this morning I saw this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HBaIRPhClw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HBaIRPhClw Denys Davydov is a Ukrainian, hometown Sevastopol, whose channel was mostly about his life as a commercial aviation pilot until the war started. He does not show any of the sort of content you discuss, and is definitely not cheerleading anyone's death. He started a Telegram channel recently so that he could post videos which he did not think would be wanted on a YouTube channel. He never posted videos that showed actual killing, nor did he otherwise cross the line you describe. Nonetheless, he's demonetized today, apparently. Which all suggests, there is something going on other than "no cheerleading deaths".
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- ncmncm 4y ago
  I doubled my Patreon contribution to Denys this morning. Patreon offers no way to add a one-time boost, which sucks. Also added one for Suchomimus, who I assume has also been hit.
- chimen 4y ago
  Except he is VERY subjective towards Ukrainians and cheering for their gains in war which falls within "condones, exploits or dismisses". His channel is a propaganda for Ukrainians, understandably so. Denys has higher quality content and I watch him from time to time but this is business. When/If this war ends you will have the entire "woke" population turning on YT for monetising this type of content, benefiting from death and drama of war. Now let's say you're on the other end, an advertiser that pays for placements, and you see your ads showing on videos where people literally die on camera, with funny reactions, videos and sounds. Do you think that it has the potential of ruining your business or not? Sorry to say but I take YT's side in this matter.
  - Fatnino 4y ago
    I think it's a very rare viewer who actually thinks the advertiser YouTube slapped on a video actually condones or even saw what is in the video. Nobody thinks an advertiser paid for a video of death and destruction. Everyone knows that sort of content is 100% between the uploader and YouTube.
tomohawk 4y ago
> a war death You are suggesting that there is some sort of moral equivalence between a Ukrainian fighting a war to defend the existence of their country and a Russian fighting to conquer said country. That is just sad. It's OK to cheer when the bad guy has a bad day. In any case, why would you begrudge someone trying to tell the rest of the world what is going on there? It's not like you're going to find any dispassionate, unopinionated, completely neutral news agency out there. That just doesn't exist.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  Post videos cheering the death of US soldiers in the invasion Iraq and you will get demonetized just as fast. It's not about moral equivalency between Russia and Ukraine, it's that advertisers still don't want to be associated with that stuff. So why would Google monetize the channel? (And by the way there's a massive difference between biaised news, and posting what is basically snuff content... Advertisers have no issue rolling ads on CNN even when it covers wars, but there's a reason why they don't broadcast gore/graphical content.)

by jasode 4y ago

topynate 4y ago

The term 'demonetization' can be misleading. It's the creator who is demonetized on a demonetized video or channel. YouTube still often shows ads on such videos, it just keeps all the money instead of 45% of it.

londons_explore 4y ago
Is this true? I don't think they show any pre-roll ads, mid roll ads or post roll ads on demonetizrd content. The only ad they show is a regular display and on the right hand side out of the video frame, and as far as I know revenue from that ad is never given to the creator anyway.
- topynate 4y ago
  See for instance the replies to this guy's clever idea yesterday: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubers/comments/xxlkvi/using_demonetization_to_remove_ads_off_my_own/ https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubers/comments/xxlkvi/using_dem... It may depend on what country you're in or if you're on mobile or not. I wouldn't know for certain, I'm a uBO/NewPipe man.
jasode 4y ago
> It's the creator who is demonetized on a demonetized video or channel. YouTube still often shows ads on such videos, it just keeps all the money instead of 45% of it. I may be wrong but I don't see evidence that Youtube continues showing ads on demonetized content like these explicit Ukraine war videos. The reason is that the advertisers who pay money to Google don't want their brands associated with certain types of lurid content. (See Adpocalypse: https://www.google.com/search?q=biggest+advertisers+abandon+youtube+adpocalypse https://www.google.com/search?q=biggest+advertisers+abandon+...) So, Google is being extra strict with ads on these videos to avoid an angry call from a giant advertiser like Proctor & Gamble complaining, "Why are you showing my dish soap ads on a video of a naked guy getting killed while pooping?!?" (E.g.: https://www.tubefilter.com/2018/04/20/pg-resumes-youtube-spend-new-ad-controversy/ https://www.tubefilter.com/2018/04/20/pg-resumes-youtube-spe...) There also may be some confusion about some videos with ads and creators not getting the money: the creator has not been accepted into the Partner Program for revenue sharing. Yes, in those cases, the creators are not getting ad $$$ -- even for safe advertiser-friendly videos. But these Ukraine demonetization videos seem more like not repeating the Adpocalypse debacle and Google will not run ads on them. Of course, Google/Youtube's system isn't perfect so there will be false-positives. Will there be indecent videos that Google improperly display ads on? Yes. Will there also be high-quality channels that got unfairly demonetized even if advertisers would have no objection to their content? Yes.
- topynate 4y ago
  I just opened the YouTube android app and looked at some videos from this channel. I saw three ads from about 15 videos watched. I then looked at some videos from an apolitical channel I'm subscribed to and saw considerably more ads. They also seemed to be 'higher quality' in some sense. The ads on the Ukraine channel were for things like an earwax removal tool. The ads on the other channel were for luxury sunglasses, a political party†, and so on. You're quite right that there's some confusion between Partner Program eligibility and demonetization proper. This Ukraine war creator actually talks about being removed from the Partner Program in the video linked in this post. † It was a deepfake of the current Israeli Prime Minister explaining why I should vote for Shas, a party of which he is most definitely not a member. Not relevant to this issue but too crazy not to mention.

kortex 4y ago

I watch this channel on the regular and... yeeeahhhh this is right on the money. It's definitely not neutral journalistic reporting of the war, and plays pretty fast and loose with "footage that some viewers might find disturbing". Heck, his catchphrase, "Knock em out cold" is pretty obviously a euphemism for killing russian soldiers. If anything I'm surprised he has survived this long without being demonetized or straight up stricken out (Cody's Lab nearly got struck out for far less).

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rossdavidh 4y ago

So, you raise some interesting points, but this morning I saw this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HBaIRPhClw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HBaIRPhClw Denys Davydov is a Ukrainian, hometown Sevastopol, whose channel was mostly about his life as a commercial aviation pilot until the war started. He does not show any of the sort of content you discuss, and is definitely not cheerleading anyone's death. He started a Telegram channel recently so that he could post videos which he did not think would be wanted on a YouTube channel. He never posted videos that showed actual killing, nor did he otherwise cross the line you describe. Nonetheless, he's demonetized today, apparently. Which all suggests, there is something going on other than "no cheerleading deaths".

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ncmncm 4y ago
I doubled my Patreon contribution to Denys this morning. Patreon offers no way to add a one-time boost, which sucks. Also added one for Suchomimus, who I assume has also been hit.
chimen 4y ago
Except he is VERY subjective towards Ukrainians and cheering for their gains in war which falls within "condones, exploits or dismisses". His channel is a propaganda for Ukrainians, understandably so. Denys has higher quality content and I watch him from time to time but this is business. When/If this war ends you will have the entire "woke" population turning on YT for monetising this type of content, benefiting from death and drama of war. Now let's say you're on the other end, an advertiser that pays for placements, and you see your ads showing on videos where people literally die on camera, with funny reactions, videos and sounds. Do you think that it has the potential of ruining your business or not? Sorry to say but I take YT's side in this matter.
- Fatnino 4y ago
  I think it's a very rare viewer who actually thinks the advertiser YouTube slapped on a video actually condones or even saw what is in the video. Nobody thinks an advertiser paid for a video of death and destruction. Everyone knows that sort of content is 100% between the uploader and YouTube.

tomohawk 4y ago

> a war death You are suggesting that there is some sort of moral equivalence between a Ukrainian fighting a war to defend the existence of their country and a Russian fighting to conquer said country. That is just sad. It's OK to cheer when the bad guy has a bad day. In any case, why would you begrudge someone trying to tell the rest of the world what is going on there? It's not like you're going to find any dispassionate, unopinionated, completely neutral news agency out there. That just doesn't exist.

mardifoufs 4y ago
Post videos cheering the death of US soldiers in the invasion Iraq and you will get demonetized just as fast. It's not about moral equivalency between Russia and Ukraine, it's that advertisers still don't want to be associated with that stuff. So why would Google monetize the channel? (And by the way there's a massive difference between biaised news, and posting what is basically snuff content... Advertisers have no issue rolling ads on CNN even when it covers wars, but there's a reason why they don't broadcast gore/graphical content.)