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From your side of the fence, I'd imagine that's true. On the other hand, as I understand it, the other side some years ago expressed concerns about encourageme

From your side of the fence, I'd imagine that's true. On the other hand, as I understand it, the other side some years ago expressed concerns about encouragement on their borders*. In fact, I've heard it said there was an agreement that wouldn't happen...then it did. But that depth is lost? How convenient. Once you accept (?) the lies about the WMDs then it becomes clear that there are actors that have no bounds. Believe what you must, but chance are good it's based on one side of the story (as it so often is). * Very similar to UBL saying get out of our neighborhood, or else. But we don't want to talk about that as it dilutes the strength of the propaganda.

ajross 4y ago
Meh. All I'm saying is that when real bullets are flying, you'll find you have a much (much) harder time selling people on conspiracy theories. Trying to convince people that it's really western illuminati at fault works poorly when it was the other side that rolled the tanks.
- chiefalchemist 4y ago
  Exactly. So there's incentive for shenanigans because it's so easily dismissed. History, especially recent history*, is clear...don't underestimate the nefarious, especially when their reputations aren't properly understood. Especially when they're so adept at controlling the narrative of their story. * For example, just last week there was this: https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/citing-new-evidence-surviving-family-members-sue-feds-raytheon-and-lockheed-martin-over-1996-twa-crash/ https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/citing-new-evidence-survivin... To continue to label the established MO of these outfits as "conspiracy theory" is lazy and out of touch with reality.
  - ajross 4y ago
    > Exactly. So there's incentive for shenanigans because it's so easily dismissed. "It must be true because it seems to be false" is a giant red flag for conspiracy rhetoric, FWIW. Again, I'm not interested in engaging on the subject. I'm explaining why regular people looking at real wars don't see things your way.
    - chiefalchemist 4y ago
      > I'm explaining why regular people looking at real wars don't see things your way. I'm explaining the same thing, the difference is my interpretation is based on actual historic events. That is, ultimately, what regular people believe isn't an accident.
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ajross 4y ago

Meh. All I'm saying is that when real bullets are flying, you'll find you have a much (much) harder time selling people on conspiracy theories. Trying to convince people that it's really western illuminati at fault works poorly when it was the other side that rolled the tanks.

chiefalchemist 4y ago
Exactly. So there's incentive for shenanigans because it's so easily dismissed. History, especially recent history*, is clear...don't underestimate the nefarious, especially when their reputations aren't properly understood. Especially when they're so adept at controlling the narrative of their story. * For example, just last week there was this: https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/citing-new-evidence-surviving-family-members-sue-feds-raytheon-and-lockheed-martin-over-1996-twa-crash/ https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/citing-new-evidence-survivin... To continue to label the established MO of these outfits as "conspiracy theory" is lazy and out of touch with reality.
- ajross 4y ago
  > Exactly. So there's incentive for shenanigans because it's so easily dismissed. "It must be true because it seems to be false" is a giant red flag for conspiracy rhetoric, FWIW. Again, I'm not interested in engaging on the subject. I'm explaining why regular people looking at real wars don't see things your way.
  - chiefalchemist 4y ago
    > I'm explaining why regular people looking at real wars don't see things your way. I'm explaining the same thing, the difference is my interpretation is based on actual historic events. That is, ultimately, what regular people believe isn't an accident.
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