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I wonder where this conscious disconnect happened. What was the catalyst for people to suddenly assume that everything is designed against their best interests?

I wonder where this conscious disconnect happened. What was the catalyst for people to suddenly assume that everything is designed against their best interests? Was it social media in general? And if so, were people really this delusional before they got on social media?

krapp 4y ago
The conspiracy theory that "Big Tech" and the "Deep State" are involved in an orchestrated conspiracy to deplatform Republicans and silence their views is literally just normalized Trumpist propaganda. Social media may have had a part in accelerating the normalization, but blaming it alone would be ignoring the root cause.
- veltas 4y ago
  Donald Trump is banned from Twitter.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    Donald Trump was banned from Twitter after the sustained extreme outbursts after he lost, after Twitter fueled the rise of Trumpism by first ignoring their published rules when he violated them and then, as that drew increasing attention, changed the published rules to create arbitrary, subjective exceptions for government and major political figures.
    - krapp 4y ago
      Yeah, I don't know why Donald Trump is their goto example of the Conspiracy when, if anything he's an example of how far social media was willing to bend to accommodate him.
      - veltas 4y ago
        What did he say that violates the rules?
        krapp 4y ago
        I'm not re litigating this. Twitter's stated position and rationale are well known at this point[0], and this issue has been argued to death by now. Here's the HN thread with over 2K comments[1]. Any possible iteration of a conversation we would have on the matter is likely already there. If you believe the only reason Donald Trump was banned was due to a conspiracy of political censorship, or refuse to at least recognize the relevance of the date and context under which that ban was issued, then it would be a waste of time to convince you otherwise. [0]https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspensio... [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25691912 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25691912
        veltas 4y ago
        I'm asking specifically what he says that violates the rules because you said they bended over backwards for him. I'm interested to see examples of obvious bad tweets, you don't know me but I assure you I'm am honest person who is willing to change their mind with new information. I will admit so far I'm unconvinced that Trump's treatment wasn't political, but I'm not American or a Twitter regular so didn't follow it too closely. I'm not including the two tweets they actually banned him for because it's quite clear their interpretation of those tweets is highly subjective (I'm not ignoring the context there, context always matters, but even with context the idea that his tweets were "glorifying violence" seems to be some heavy extrapolation of what was said). Their decision to ban him then is obviously because of public and internal pressure mounting with the capital riot. So I'm more interested in what they essentially 'bent over backwards for'.
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lotsofpulp 4y ago
Perhaps the proliferation of recorded written, audio, and video communications might have re-calibrated people’s assumptions. Every time a leader or respected person says one thing and is trivially proven to have been lying puts a dent in societal trust. Off the top of my head just in my lifetime, Snowden’s revelations, cops lying and suffering no consequences (over and over and over), politicians espousing views directly in contradiction with their actions, the myriad sexual abuse scandals, even tech leaders emailing each other to hold down pay for engineers who might have looked up to them and so on and so forth. And then, of course, the whiplash from mob justice where certain thing get taken out of context or are difficult to understand without experience, and the consequences of that on those who are watching and understand.

krapp 4y ago

The conspiracy theory that "Big Tech" and the "Deep State" are involved in an orchestrated conspiracy to deplatform Republicans and silence their views is literally just normalized Trumpist propaganda. Social media may have had a part in accelerating the normalization, but blaming it alone would be ignoring the root cause.

veltas 4y ago
Donald Trump is banned from Twitter.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  Donald Trump was banned from Twitter after the sustained extreme outbursts after he lost, after Twitter fueled the rise of Trumpism by first ignoring their published rules when he violated them and then, as that drew increasing attention, changed the published rules to create arbitrary, subjective exceptions for government and major political figures.
  - krapp 4y ago
    Yeah, I don't know why Donald Trump is their goto example of the Conspiracy when, if anything he's an example of how far social media was willing to bend to accommodate him.
    - veltas 4y ago
      What did he say that violates the rules?
      - krapp 4y ago
        I'm not re litigating this. Twitter's stated position and rationale are well known at this point[0], and this issue has been argued to death by now. Here's the HN thread with over 2K comments[1]. Any possible iteration of a conversation we would have on the matter is likely already there. If you believe the only reason Donald Trump was banned was due to a conspiracy of political censorship, or refuse to at least recognize the relevance of the date and context under which that ban was issued, then it would be a waste of time to convince you otherwise. [0]https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspensio... [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25691912 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25691912
        veltas 4y ago
        I'm asking specifically what he says that violates the rules because you said they bended over backwards for him. I'm interested to see examples of obvious bad tweets, you don't know me but I assure you I'm am honest person who is willing to change their mind with new information. I will admit so far I'm unconvinced that Trump's treatment wasn't political, but I'm not American or a Twitter regular so didn't follow it too closely. I'm not including the two tweets they actually banned him for because it's quite clear their interpretation of those tweets is highly subjective (I'm not ignoring the context there, context always matters, but even with context the idea that his tweets were "glorifying violence" seems to be some heavy extrapolation of what was said). Their decision to ban him then is obviously because of public and internal pressure mounting with the capital riot. So I'm more interested in what they essentially 'bent over backwards for'.
- deleted 4y ago
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lotsofpulp 4y ago

Perhaps the proliferation of recorded written, audio, and video communications might have re-calibrated people’s assumptions. Every time a leader or respected person says one thing and is trivially proven to have been lying puts a dent in societal trust. Off the top of my head just in my lifetime, Snowden’s revelations, cops lying and suffering no consequences (over and over and over), politicians espousing views directly in contradiction with their actions, the myriad sexual abuse scandals, even tech leaders emailing each other to hold down pay for engineers who might have looked up to them and so on and so forth. And then, of course, the whiplash from mob justice where certain thing get taken out of context or are difficult to understand without experience, and the consequences of that on those who are watching and understand.