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While this is only anecdotal evidence, I have gathered from conversations with people not in the workforce, while being well educated, and the lack of motivatio

While this is only anecdotal evidence, I have gathered from conversations with people not in the workforce, while being well educated, and the lack of motivation wasn't coming necessarily from a lack of ethics but more from an actual understanding what their work was contributing to, and not desiring being part of an activity they disagree with the finality of it, or at best consider it a waste of time and energy. Again, only personal conversations with some friends and acquaintances, nothing statistically representative, but definitely show there is room for looking deeper at the root this trends before labeling people as lazy.

UtopiaPunk 4y ago
That resonates with me. The work I find fulfilling or important doesn't pay well or at all. Other jobs range from pointless to actively harmful. Even then, my hard work is really just to make some CEO out founder rich. So yeah, I try to find work that will pay the bills and that doesn't drain all my energy, so at the end of the day, I can still do something good. We only get roughly 80 years to be alive on this world, so why should I pour my adulthood into feeding social parasites? That's what would be unethical.
- klyrs 4y ago
  I have fulfilling work and just enough pay to get by. My employer hired a new HR director, who came out and said "working at this company is an intangible benefit" and went on to explain that we underpay people as a matter of policy specifically on account of that benefit. In retrospect, I should have called a vote to unionize at the end of that meeting, because employee dissatisfaction hit an all-time low that day...
hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
This is also my own experience. For my recent job I was paid a ridiculously big amount of money for what? For basically working on a website that is not even useful to society in any meaningful sense. Did I bring any value to the society? No. It even feels I diminished it somehow. And the disproportion between my earnings and those of my fellow colleagues in other fields is solely because at this point my skills are valued by the marked more, not that I am "better" than them in any other way. Something is broken and I don't believe it can be fixed easily.

UtopiaPunk 4y ago

That resonates with me. The work I find fulfilling or important doesn't pay well or at all. Other jobs range from pointless to actively harmful. Even then, my hard work is really just to make some CEO out founder rich. So yeah, I try to find work that will pay the bills and that doesn't drain all my energy, so at the end of the day, I can still do something good. We only get roughly 80 years to be alive on this world, so why should I pour my adulthood into feeding social parasites? That's what would be unethical.

klyrs 4y ago
I have fulfilling work and just enough pay to get by. My employer hired a new HR director, who came out and said "working at this company is an intangible benefit" and went on to explain that we underpay people as a matter of policy specifically on account of that benefit. In retrospect, I should have called a vote to unionize at the end of that meeting, because employee dissatisfaction hit an all-time low that day...

hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago

This is also my own experience. For my recent job I was paid a ridiculously big amount of money for what? For basically working on a website that is not even useful to society in any meaningful sense. Did I bring any value to the society? No. It even feels I diminished it somehow. And the disproportion between my earnings and those of my fellow colleagues in other fields is solely because at this point my skills are valued by the marked more, not that I am "better" than them in any other way. Something is broken and I don't believe it can be fixed easily.