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In case anyone things this has anything to do with the current Russia situation, it most likely has not. Stuff like that happens every few years on larger scal

In case anyone things this has anything to do with the current Russia situation, it most likely has not. Stuff like that happens every few years on larger scale and sometimes multiple times a year on smaller scale (e.g. part of Berlin local trains not going because of it). A lot of this sabotage comes from people trying to steal cables, but then also sometimes giving up in the process. Then there a climate crazed people which in a twisted way blame the trains for partially causing the climate crisis because they are too expensive... There are also two or three other radicalized movements which in twisted and less twisted ways use the DB as a representative for the "evil state/system" and then jump from there to sabotaging the train service, not limited to the DB (sounds stupid? it is, but happens anyway). The only thing special in this case is how many lines had been affected, not that it happened.

widerporst 4y ago
Cables in both Berlin and Dortmund were severed around the same time. This smells of a larger, coordinated oepration.
- mirko22 4y ago
  Yes there are bunch of crazy people doing this stuff coordinated. Lookup letzte generation. There are probably others, I’m not really following it too close.
- dathinab 4y ago
  Not really. It's not hard to pull off you just need around 4 people, maybe 2 would work, too. Getting illegal short term access to the cables around there long runs isn't hard. Like at all. Finding which cable need to be cut is a bit harder but not too hard either. (It's not a state secret or anything, there are quite a bunch of people which know stuff like that. Worse just by following news in recent years about what interruptions cable theft caused is probably enough to find out where you need to cut cables.) Sure it involves a bit of planing and research etc. But nothing which is beyond what a small handful of misguided but not very stupid people can archive. And in my experience people in the group I mentioned are not stupid at all, misguided sure, but not stupid.
cygx 4y ago
I doubt the involvement of any well-known climate activist groups: They tend to claim responsibility for their actions, as the point is to generate publicity and political pressure.
neuronic 4y ago
> climate crazed people You obviously have an agenda. None of these groups blame "trains".
- dathinab 4y ago
  nop, no agenda also the reason I use "climate crazed" instead of idk. climate activists is because I do not mean climate activists. I also _do not_ mean climate activists which use more extreme measurements and are sometimes portrayed as crazy by the media. But there are people which have gone beyond any form of logical reasoning in all kinds of movements. This including climate related movements but also pretty much any other bigger movement asking for a lot of change. And there had already been cases of people attacking German train infrastructure "because trains are to expensive and as such partially at fault of climate change". And just because this people are beyond reasoning wrt. their ideological believes doesn't mean they are stupid or incompetent. Through it wasn't the bast choice of an example. Thinking about it it was a very terrible choice for an example. EDIT: Also using crazed was a bad word choice, too.

widerporst 4y ago

Cables in both Berlin and Dortmund were severed around the same time. This smells of a larger, coordinated oepration.

mirko22 4y ago
Yes there are bunch of crazy people doing this stuff coordinated. Lookup letzte generation. There are probably others, I’m not really following it too close.
dathinab 4y ago
Not really. It's not hard to pull off you just need around 4 people, maybe 2 would work, too. Getting illegal short term access to the cables around there long runs isn't hard. Like at all. Finding which cable need to be cut is a bit harder but not too hard either. (It's not a state secret or anything, there are quite a bunch of people which know stuff like that. Worse just by following news in recent years about what interruptions cable theft caused is probably enough to find out where you need to cut cables.) Sure it involves a bit of planing and research etc. But nothing which is beyond what a small handful of misguided but not very stupid people can archive. And in my experience people in the group I mentioned are not stupid at all, misguided sure, but not stupid.

cygx 4y ago

I doubt the involvement of any well-known climate activist groups: They tend to claim responsibility for their actions, as the point is to generate publicity and political pressure.

neuronic 4y ago

> climate crazed people You obviously have an agenda. None of these groups blame "trains".

dathinab 4y ago
nop, no agenda also the reason I use "climate crazed" instead of idk. climate activists is because I do not mean climate activists. I also _do not_ mean climate activists which use more extreme measurements and are sometimes portrayed as crazy by the media. But there are people which have gone beyond any form of logical reasoning in all kinds of movements. This including climate related movements but also pretty much any other bigger movement asking for a lot of change. And there had already been cases of people attacking German train infrastructure "because trains are to expensive and as such partially at fault of climate change". And just because this people are beyond reasoning wrt. their ideological believes doesn't mean they are stupid or incompetent. Through it wasn't the bast choice of an example. Thinking about it it was a very terrible choice for an example. EDIT: Also using crazed was a bad word choice, too.