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We are the baddies. I live in a small EU country, and have soldiers in syria now. We could atleast have pulled them back home, before pointing a finger at puti

We are the baddies. I live in a small EU country, and have soldiers in syria now. We could atleast have pulled them back home, before pointing a finger at putin, but we didn't even do that (and they'd all fit in a minibus). We're currently destroying our own economies because someone else is doing something that we've been doing for years now. Technically we deserve being cold and maybe some kind of a revolution, because we've deserved it for destroying countries all around the world, but I'd prefer things to stop and normalize before we all freeze to death here.

nequo 4y ago
Especially as someone from a small EU country, this seems completely different to me, unless living in a Putin puppet state is an acceptable alternative to you. Invading other countries is bad (including when the EU does it). Invading and massacring Ukraine is bad. Both can be true at the same time. And only because we haven’t eliminated the first doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight the second.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  But we don't even plan to eliminate the first. How can we point the finger at putin, if we're doing the same as him? We're literally standing on a pile of middle-eastern bodies (let's not forget why the middle eastern crisis even started), and screaming "...but putin!". Look at the french for example... they have literally their embassies burning now, because people want their army out of their sovereign country, and the media sits quiet, mentioning maybe "some protests". The EU is threathening Hungary for wanting to buy russian gas, while sitting quiet about France. Why should putin have to stop, if we don't? And if we care for peoples lives and sovereign countries, why don't we care about the ones we're destroying right now?
ethanbond 4y ago
Did your country just send soldiers to Syria when it was thriving independent state? Or was it when there was a brutal civil war and the state used chemical weapons against civilian populations?
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  Yeah, same as iraq had wmds and afghanistan had to be attacked because some saudis were bad pilots. Yes, my country had soldiers in all the mentioned countries too.
  - ethanbond 4y ago
    Ooof. It’s pretty clear you’re not interested in a sincere conversation. Have a good weekend!

nequo 4y ago

Especially as someone from a small EU country, this seems completely different to me, unless living in a Putin puppet state is an acceptable alternative to you. Invading other countries is bad (including when the EU does it). Invading and massacring Ukraine is bad. Both can be true at the same time. And only because we haven’t eliminated the first doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight the second.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
But we don't even plan to eliminate the first. How can we point the finger at putin, if we're doing the same as him? We're literally standing on a pile of middle-eastern bodies (let's not forget why the middle eastern crisis even started), and screaming "...but putin!". Look at the french for example... they have literally their embassies burning now, because people want their army out of their sovereign country, and the media sits quiet, mentioning maybe "some protests". The EU is threathening Hungary for wanting to buy russian gas, while sitting quiet about France. Why should putin have to stop, if we don't? And if we care for peoples lives and sovereign countries, why don't we care about the ones we're destroying right now?

ethanbond 4y ago

Did your country just send soldiers to Syria when it was thriving independent state? Or was it when there was a brutal civil war and the state used chemical weapons against civilian populations?

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
Yeah, same as iraq had wmds and afghanistan had to be attacked because some saudis were bad pilots. Yes, my country had soldiers in all the mentioned countries too.
- ethanbond 4y ago
  Ooof. It’s pretty clear you’re not interested in a sincere conversation. Have a good weekend!