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It's not, especially on the weekend. The freight delays might be somewhat of an issue over the next few days but on the passenger side it's a mild inconvenience

It's not, especially on the weekend. The freight delays might be somewhat of an issue over the next few days but on the passenger side it's a mild inconvenience at best. It disrupted the rail network country-wide to some degree but the public rail infrastructure in Germany isn't really known for it's reliability anyway.

jaza 4y ago
German rail not known for its reliability... really?! Perhaps not in Germany. But in most other countries, German rail is perceived to be very reliable. And compared to rail in most other countries, German rail is very reliable!
- dathinab 4y ago
  Compared to e.g. Japan and some other countries long distance trains in Germany are _very_ unreliable. Compared to some other countries it is extremely reliable. Local train service reliability differs quite a bit depending on region and sometimes in region which exact train you take. And perception of reliability can differ from reality, e.g. Berlin people always complain about how unreliable their public transportation is, but due to high frequency of the transportation and a tight nitted 3-4 layer transportation net it is in effect really not that bad. Sure there are a few places where you e.g. reliable miss a follow up connection. But you can calculate that in and with delay times included it is still better then what you find in many other places in the word. So uh, perception is it's a catastrophe, but practice is it's far behind Tokio but not that bad at all in general (for most connections).
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Amusingly a transit system has to be pretty decent to be bad - if it is actually horribly bad people don’t treat it at all reliable so they don’t really notice late trains, because getting a train at all is a miracle.
    - jaza 4y ago
      That's basically the case here in Australia (I live in Sydney, I believe the standard is about the same in other cities). My train line has been completely closed for the past week, for "routine trackwork" (and it's not even Christmas / summer holidays). Every weekend one or more lines are closed for trackwork. Throughout this year, trains have been delayed or cancelled, often with little notice, due to workers going on strike. And I've lived in Sydney for most of my life, and it's always been like this. Can't rely on public transport.
- luckylion 4y ago
  That's why you should hire the PR companies they're using, not the train companies themselves. Partially joking, I think the image stems from the past, but the system degrades when it's not maintained appropriately. There was an entertaining talk at a CCC event a few years back which looked at DB reliability and accuracy (in German): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rb9CfOvojk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rb9CfOvojk
  - namibj 4y ago
    The non-YouTube authoritative copy of the recording includes the other audio track(s) and sub(s), typically (for at least most main track talks of 33c3/34c3/35c3/36c3) including the live English/German dub (whichever the speaker doesn't use) courtesy of a volunteer at the event. For this talk, there's an en dub (seems to not dub the introduction from the host, just the actual talk); have a link: https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10652-bahnmining_-_punktlichkeit_ist_eine_zier#l=eng https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10652-bahnmining_-_punktlichkeit...

jaza 4y ago

German rail not known for its reliability... really?! Perhaps not in Germany. But in most other countries, German rail is perceived to be very reliable. And compared to rail in most other countries, German rail is very reliable!

dathinab 4y ago
Compared to e.g. Japan and some other countries long distance trains in Germany are _very_ unreliable. Compared to some other countries it is extremely reliable. Local train service reliability differs quite a bit depending on region and sometimes in region which exact train you take. And perception of reliability can differ from reality, e.g. Berlin people always complain about how unreliable their public transportation is, but due to high frequency of the transportation and a tight nitted 3-4 layer transportation net it is in effect really not that bad. Sure there are a few places where you e.g. reliable miss a follow up connection. But you can calculate that in and with delay times included it is still better then what you find in many other places in the word. So uh, perception is it's a catastrophe, but practice is it's far behind Tokio but not that bad at all in general (for most connections).
- bombcar 4y ago
  Amusingly a transit system has to be pretty decent to be bad - if it is actually horribly bad people don’t treat it at all reliable so they don’t really notice late trains, because getting a train at all is a miracle.
  - jaza 4y ago
    That's basically the case here in Australia (I live in Sydney, I believe the standard is about the same in other cities). My train line has been completely closed for the past week, for "routine trackwork" (and it's not even Christmas / summer holidays). Every weekend one or more lines are closed for trackwork. Throughout this year, trains have been delayed or cancelled, often with little notice, due to workers going on strike. And I've lived in Sydney for most of my life, and it's always been like this. Can't rely on public transport.
luckylion 4y ago
That's why you should hire the PR companies they're using, not the train companies themselves. Partially joking, I think the image stems from the past, but the system degrades when it's not maintained appropriately. There was an entertaining talk at a CCC event a few years back which looked at DB reliability and accuracy (in German): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rb9CfOvojk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rb9CfOvojk
- namibj 4y ago
  The non-YouTube authoritative copy of the recording includes the other audio track(s) and sub(s), typically (for at least most main track talks of 33c3/34c3/35c3/36c3) including the live English/German dub (whichever the speaker doesn't use) courtesy of a volunteer at the event. For this talk, there's an en dub (seems to not dub the introduction from the host, just the actual talk); have a link: https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10652-bahnmining_-_punktlichkeit_ist_eine_zier#l=eng https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10652-bahnmining_-_punktlichkeit...