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The M1 was released in 2020 and AMD and Intel are still unable to compete in performance per watt. I can't believe that Intel and AMD have their current market

The M1 was released in 2020 and AMD and Intel are still unable to compete in performance per watt. I can't believe that Intel and AMD have their current market cap. Investors should know by now that they make gasoline cars and Apple makes EV's. They are that far ahead.

phendrenad2 4y ago
Performance per watt is something no one cares about. Laptops are a tiny market compared to servers. I'm pretty sure desktops are even a larger market. I'd rather have a beefy desktop PC than a laptop that's fundamentally handicapped by cooling problems.
- brucehoult 4y ago
  The only people who don't care about performance per Watt are those who have only one computer with a handful of cores and it is running off mains power. People running from batteries care a lot about performance per Watt. So do people running thousands or tens of thousands of computers in a warehouse. Not only does the electricity to run the computers cost more than the computers themselves, but it also costs a lot of money to build and run the cooling systems.
  - phendrenad2 4y ago
    > People running from batteries care a lot about performance per Watt This is a small market compared to servers. > So do people running thousands or tens of thousands of computers in a warehouse No, they care about total cost of ownership. Please set yourself a reminder for 5 years from now to check if server farms are using Apple M chips yet.
    - snvzz 4y ago
      >Please set yourself a reminder for 5 years from now to check if server farms are using Apple M chips yet. Apple would have to start selling these chips to third parties, first.
      - phendrenad2 4y ago
        Yes, and also the M1 would have to magically become suitable for server workloads.
Comevius 4y ago
They are completely different markets, the M1 and M2 are part of Apple's consumer devices, mostly premium notebooks running macOS. That's a niche market even compared to premium notebooks running Windows.
- klelatti 4y ago
  > That's a niche market even compared to premium notebooks running Windows. Do you have any evidence for this assertion?
  - oittaa 4y ago
    Don't know exactly how reliable this[1] is, but it looks like Apple is relatively small compared to the big names. [1]: https://www.canalys.com/newsroom/global-pc-market-Q4-2021 https://www.canalys.com/newsroom/global-pc-market-Q4-2021
    - klelatti 4y ago
      The comment specified premium notebooks not overall market share.
      - Comevius 4y ago
        300 million laptops are sold each year, less than 30 million of those are made by Apple, and they start at $1200. I'm just guessing but I would expect a good 70 million of those 270 million laptops to be sold at premium between the ultrabooks, gaming and productivity devices. GeForce high performance laptops were the fastest-growing category last year since gamers and creators (with the exception of designers) both tend to favor GeForce RTX.
        klelatti 4y ago
        I personally wouldn't say 30/70 = 42% is niche but accept that the term is up for debate.
    - 4y ago

phendrenad2 4y ago

Performance per watt is something no one cares about. Laptops are a tiny market compared to servers. I'm pretty sure desktops are even a larger market. I'd rather have a beefy desktop PC than a laptop that's fundamentally handicapped by cooling problems.

brucehoult 4y ago
The only people who don't care about performance per Watt are those who have only one computer with a handful of cores and it is running off mains power. People running from batteries care a lot about performance per Watt. So do people running thousands or tens of thousands of computers in a warehouse. Not only does the electricity to run the computers cost more than the computers themselves, but it also costs a lot of money to build and run the cooling systems.
- phendrenad2 4y ago
  > People running from batteries care a lot about performance per Watt This is a small market compared to servers. > So do people running thousands or tens of thousands of computers in a warehouse No, they care about total cost of ownership. Please set yourself a reminder for 5 years from now to check if server farms are using Apple M chips yet.
  - snvzz 4y ago
    >Please set yourself a reminder for 5 years from now to check if server farms are using Apple M chips yet. Apple would have to start selling these chips to third parties, first.
    - phendrenad2 4y ago
      Yes, and also the M1 would have to magically become suitable for server workloads.

Comevius 4y ago

They are completely different markets, the M1 and M2 are part of Apple's consumer devices, mostly premium notebooks running macOS. That's a niche market even compared to premium notebooks running Windows.

klelatti 4y ago
> That's a niche market even compared to premium notebooks running Windows. Do you have any evidence for this assertion?
- oittaa 4y ago
  Don't know exactly how reliable this[1] is, but it looks like Apple is relatively small compared to the big names. [1]: https://www.canalys.com/newsroom/global-pc-market-Q4-2021 https://www.canalys.com/newsroom/global-pc-market-Q4-2021
  - klelatti 4y ago
    The comment specified premium notebooks not overall market share.
    - Comevius 4y ago
      300 million laptops are sold each year, less than 30 million of those are made by Apple, and they start at $1200. I'm just guessing but I would expect a good 70 million of those 270 million laptops to be sold at premium between the ultrabooks, gaming and productivity devices. GeForce high performance laptops were the fastest-growing category last year since gamers and creators (with the exception of designers) both tend to favor GeForce RTX.
      - klelatti 4y ago
        I personally wouldn't say 30/70 = 42% is niche but accept that the term is up for debate.
  - 4y ago