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Are there any good alternatives to Amazon that don't prominently feature fake products?

sfvegandude 4y ago
Depends on what you are looking for. I've never had any problems with BH Photo Video for technology products. Everything else I mostly get directly from the manufacturer website.
- derefr 4y ago
  To me, the distinguishing feature of Amazon, is that it's an online "everything store" with a yearly subscription that makes delivery of most products free. Any alternatives that try to "be Amazon" in this sense, while 1. only carrying first-party listings, and 2. not commingling stock? Or, in other words: any stores that attempt to be the Amazon of ~2010, rather than the Amazon of 2022?
  - wombat-man 4y ago
    A lot of stores online ship free now in order to compete with Amazon. Also if you're ordering more than $25 you get free, but slightly slower shipping. I see no reason to have Prime.
    - derefr 4y ago
      I don't think I've ever received free shipping from a web store. (I live in Canada.) In fact, for some of the things my partner orders (e.g. books from Taiwanese book shops) not only is there a shipping cost, but there are often surprise $20-$50 COD import duties on top of that cost, doubling the final cost of the order. That, for some reason, they can't just build into the order invoice. And because of the duties, the logistics provider (usually FedEx) usually refuses to actually do the last-mile delivery of the thing until they're paid; so we have to go down to their depot to pay the duties, effectively forcing us to do the last-mile part ourselves. Also, even if a store were to offer free shipping at some price threshold (I think maybe some stores do for $100 here), I find that because most online other than Amazon aren't an "everything store", it's pretty unlikely that I'll be ordering more than a single item from them; and so I'd never qualify for the free shipping anyway. If I find a nice t-shirt, and it's $20... ain't getting free shipping from that.
      - wombat-man 4y ago
        Yeah that's completely fair. For me, I looked around online for my needs and found that I actually didn't need Amazon as much as I thought. Your mileage may vary.
      - Gunnerhead 4y ago
        Hmm, I’m Canadian who’s currently living in the states. I can think of a bunch in Canada that offer free shipping off by memory: Amazon, Indigo/Chapters, EB Games, Footlocker, Walmart, etc. The anecdote you mentioned would also apply in the States. Duty paid for purchases from abroad, like Taiwan. Also, much like Canada, you’d usually pay shipping for small mom-and-pop shop or boutique web stores too.
        derefr 4y ago
        > The anecdote you mentioned would also apply in the States. Duty paid for purchases from abroad, like Taiwan. Import duties are set by the government of the importing country; Canada’s are pretty high compared to most countries, making a lot of online shopping with international shipping less worth it here than elsewhere. Also, a fun fact: the US negotiated a sweetheart deal with the International Postal Union, such that sending parcels to the US from most countries is subsidized by the sending country’s government. So every country other than the US pays more than the US does to order from e.g. AliExpress.
      - ChoGGi 4y ago
        Well.ca and leevalley.com both offer free shipping over x amount.
    - NavinF 4y ago
      >I see no reason to have Prime. Every item arriving 1 day early is worth $140/yr for most people. I've paid a lot more for a lot less (looks at Digi-Key order history) Also Amazon Fresh (free 6 hour shipping in my location) is extremely convenient. A lot of sites charge $60 per order for the same service (overnight delivery)
      - derefr 4y ago
        Sadly, there’s no Amazon Fresh in Canada. Even though, oddly, we do have Whole Foods here (where most Amazon Fresh products ship from)… but our Whole Foods don’t do delivery either. Whole Foods products don’t show up on Amazon.ca for sale; nor even does Whole Foods in Canada even have a website that you can online shop for pickup on. It’s weirdly backward given that it’s exactly the same store.
  - newaccount74 4y ago
    > a yearly subscription that makes delivery of most products free Which is great marketing trick, because you are of course paying for delivery through inflated unit prices. A lot of things on Amazon are a few Euros more expensive than in other stores because they just hide the delivery fee in the unit price. There is no such thing as "free delivery", you are paying for it one way or another.
    - 8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago
      depends.. for a lot of cheap products you'll pay a premium for shipping but not everything
    - derefr 4y ago
      The prices on Amazon might be "a few euros more", but where I live, the delivery fee for getting e.g. a 65" TV delivered from Best Buy or Costco, would be more like an extra $30-$50. (And I don't own a car, so I can't just go pick it up from the store, either.)
      - barbazoo 4y ago
        How often do you buy something that bulky though that would make this a good deal?
        2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
        There are frequently items on sale though. Like Prime Day, or some items just seem to be low stock and they want to get rid of inventory. In Australia you can also get 1 month of Prime for less than the cost of normal delivery. So you get a discount on the item you want, free shipping and Prime for a month for less than the normal cost of normal shipping, and it comes the next day. Free shipping without Prime only has a threshold of $39AUD too. It's pretty easy to game things in your favour to get a cheaper item and still get next day delivery.
      - newaccount74 4y ago
        I was talking about cheap stuff, with pricier things the price difference is often a lot more. What I'm trying to say is that often stores that don't offer free shipping are cheaper than Amazon and you should compare the total prices instead of just ordering from Amazon assuming that they are the cheapest. In my experience they sometimes are the cheapest, but in most cases they are not.
  - sfvegandude 4y ago
    >".. it's an online "everything store" with a yearly subscription that makes delivery of most products free" No, and I think that the incentives that arise from that model speak for themselves in what Amazon has become. That is to say, I just don't think it's necessary to have an 'everything store' any longer because the competition has caught up.
- kurthr 4y ago
  I second going the manufacturer for anything you really care about. Western Digital and Samsung definitely have their own web sales on their .com domain.
  - sfvegandude 4y ago
    >I second going the manufacturer for anything you really care about. And I try (and often fail) to ask myself that if I don't "really care about it," do I really need it?
wombat-man 4y ago
For electronics I've been reasonably happy with Best Buy. Plus you can do store pickup if you need it ASAP. Most stuff ships free in my experience.
- llanowarelves 4y ago
  Seconded. I sometimes buy Samsung storage from Samsung directly (they have an online store), and same for Western Digital, but when I'm not doing that I like Best Buy (for general consumer electronics). For more specialist stuff (pro audio, etc) there's other stores.
- fmajid 4y ago
  B&H Photo, Adorama, Target, Dell.com, direct from the manufacturer
dehrmann 4y ago
Just filter by seller.
- kube-system 4y ago
  Doesn’t work when FBA inventory is commingled.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Also, I often do not see an option to filter by seller on Amazon.
    - dehrmann 4y ago
      You have to filter by category first.
prepend 4y ago
I’ve had good success with Walmart. The prices are usually the same and they have free shipping over $35.
- Xenoamorphous 4y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32628381 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32628381
- datalopers 4y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32628381 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32628381 Walmart is garbage for the same reason as Amazon. Unmoderated third-party sellers.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    You can filter out third party sellers on Walmart.com
  - prepend 4y ago
    Like lotsofpulp said, Walmart makes it quite easy to filter out 3rd party sellers. But with Amazon this is sometimes impossible because of fulfilled by Amazon and commingling of skus. I’ve also found it useful to limit to only what’s available in my local Walmart. Walmart isn’t perfect but their quality control is much higher. Oddly, their customer support is much better too. The last few times with Amazon the rep was like pulling teeth. They once asked me to mail back a $10 item so they could review its quality. It’s just a hassle that Id like to avoid by working with higher quality retailers. I don’t think it’s a consumer cost issue either as Amazon isn’t cheapest. I think it’s just where they are choosing to make their money and they’ve shifted from innovation and market capture to rent seeking.
c0nducktr 4y ago
I've seen people recommend eBay over Amazon lately, because the sellers actually have to manage their reputation.
actually_a_dog 4y ago
You could try the FakeSpot extension. https://www.fakespot.com/extension-vs-analyzer https://www.fakespot.com/extension-vs-analyzer
herbst 4y ago
AliExpress. All the producers are there anyway, if you buy from the official stores you don't get fakes. Much easier to not get scammed than Amazon with all those resellers with their fake reviews and endless ad budgets. And if you got lied to you get your money back usually without even sending the item back. Customer service is top notch.
- microtherion 4y ago
  Exactly. Shipping is considerably slower than with Amazon, but customer service is no-nonsense, and there are never problems with commingled inventory. Even if you don't buy from official stores, you can take your chances with another store. If they scam you, get a refund. If the product is good, keep ordering from them.
  - herbst 4y ago
    Even the faster shipment argument is kinda invalid depending on where you life. I live in Switzerland so not only do most Amazon article not even ship to me, but those who do often take weeks as well. Not get me started on how many small packages got lost because of the German postal system. I rarely have issues from China and shipping can be as fast as 10 days sometimes.
bombcar 4y ago
Target, Best Buy, McMaster Carr, Home Depot. All have free or cheap shipping. Walmart somewhat if you search store or shipped and sold by Walmart.

Depends on what you are looking for. I've never had any problems with BH Photo Video for technology products. Everything else I mostly get directly from the manufacturer website.

derefr 4y ago
To me, the distinguishing feature of Amazon, is that it's an online "everything store" with a yearly subscription that makes delivery of most products free. Any alternatives that try to "be Amazon" in this sense, while 1. only carrying first-party listings, and 2. not commingling stock? Or, in other words: any stores that attempt to be the Amazon of ~2010, rather than the Amazon of 2022?
- wombat-man 4y ago
  A lot of stores online ship free now in order to compete with Amazon. Also if you're ordering more than $25 you get free, but slightly slower shipping. I see no reason to have Prime.
  - derefr 4y ago
    I don't think I've ever received free shipping from a web store. (I live in Canada.) In fact, for some of the things my partner orders (e.g. books from Taiwanese book shops) not only is there a shipping cost, but there are often surprise $20-$50 COD import duties on top of that cost, doubling the final cost of the order. That, for some reason, they can't just build into the order invoice. And because of the duties, the logistics provider (usually FedEx) usually refuses to actually do the last-mile delivery of the thing until they're paid; so we have to go down to their depot to pay the duties, effectively forcing us to do the last-mile part ourselves. Also, even if a store were to offer free shipping at some price threshold (I think maybe some stores do for $100 here), I find that because most online other than Amazon aren't an "everything store", it's pretty unlikely that I'll be ordering more than a single item from them; and so I'd never qualify for the free shipping anyway. If I find a nice t-shirt, and it's $20... ain't getting free shipping from that.
    - wombat-man 4y ago
      Yeah that's completely fair. For me, I looked around online for my needs and found that I actually didn't need Amazon as much as I thought. Your mileage may vary.
    - Gunnerhead 4y ago
      Hmm, I’m Canadian who’s currently living in the states. I can think of a bunch in Canada that offer free shipping off by memory: Amazon, Indigo/Chapters, EB Games, Footlocker, Walmart, etc. The anecdote you mentioned would also apply in the States. Duty paid for purchases from abroad, like Taiwan. Also, much like Canada, you’d usually pay shipping for small mom-and-pop shop or boutique web stores too.
      - derefr 4y ago
        > The anecdote you mentioned would also apply in the States. Duty paid for purchases from abroad, like Taiwan. Import duties are set by the government of the importing country; Canada’s are pretty high compared to most countries, making a lot of online shopping with international shipping less worth it here than elsewhere. Also, a fun fact: the US negotiated a sweetheart deal with the International Postal Union, such that sending parcels to the US from most countries is subsidized by the sending country’s government. So every country other than the US pays more than the US does to order from e.g. AliExpress.
    - ChoGGi 4y ago
      Well.ca and leevalley.com both offer free shipping over x amount.
  - NavinF 4y ago
    >I see no reason to have Prime. Every item arriving 1 day early is worth $140/yr for most people. I've paid a lot more for a lot less (looks at Digi-Key order history) Also Amazon Fresh (free 6 hour shipping in my location) is extremely convenient. A lot of sites charge $60 per order for the same service (overnight delivery)
    - derefr 4y ago
      Sadly, there’s no Amazon Fresh in Canada. Even though, oddly, we do have Whole Foods here (where most Amazon Fresh products ship from)… but our Whole Foods don’t do delivery either. Whole Foods products don’t show up on Amazon.ca for sale; nor even does Whole Foods in Canada even have a website that you can online shop for pickup on. It’s weirdly backward given that it’s exactly the same store.
- newaccount74 4y ago
  > a yearly subscription that makes delivery of most products free Which is great marketing trick, because you are of course paying for delivery through inflated unit prices. A lot of things on Amazon are a few Euros more expensive than in other stores because they just hide the delivery fee in the unit price. There is no such thing as "free delivery", you are paying for it one way or another.
  - 8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago
    depends.. for a lot of cheap products you'll pay a premium for shipping but not everything
  - derefr 4y ago
    The prices on Amazon might be "a few euros more", but where I live, the delivery fee for getting e.g. a 65" TV delivered from Best Buy or Costco, would be more like an extra $30-$50. (And I don't own a car, so I can't just go pick it up from the store, either.)
    - barbazoo 4y ago
      How often do you buy something that bulky though that would make this a good deal?
      - 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
        There are frequently items on sale though. Like Prime Day, or some items just seem to be low stock and they want to get rid of inventory. In Australia you can also get 1 month of Prime for less than the cost of normal delivery. So you get a discount on the item you want, free shipping and Prime for a month for less than the normal cost of normal shipping, and it comes the next day. Free shipping without Prime only has a threshold of $39AUD too. It's pretty easy to game things in your favour to get a cheaper item and still get next day delivery.
    - newaccount74 4y ago
      I was talking about cheap stuff, with pricier things the price difference is often a lot more. What I'm trying to say is that often stores that don't offer free shipping are cheaper than Amazon and you should compare the total prices instead of just ordering from Amazon assuming that they are the cheapest. In my experience they sometimes are the cheapest, but in most cases they are not.
- sfvegandude 4y ago
  >".. it's an online "everything store" with a yearly subscription that makes delivery of most products free" No, and I think that the incentives that arise from that model speak for themselves in what Amazon has become. That is to say, I just don't think it's necessary to have an 'everything store' any longer because the competition has caught up.
kurthr 4y ago
I second going the manufacturer for anything you really care about. Western Digital and Samsung definitely have their own web sales on their .com domain.
- sfvegandude 4y ago
  >I second going the manufacturer for anything you really care about. And I try (and often fail) to ask myself that if I don't "really care about it," do I really need it?

wombat-man 4y ago

For electronics I've been reasonably happy with Best Buy. Plus you can do store pickup if you need it ASAP. Most stuff ships free in my experience.

llanowarelves 4y ago
Seconded. I sometimes buy Samsung storage from Samsung directly (they have an online store), and same for Western Digital, but when I'm not doing that I like Best Buy (for general consumer electronics). For more specialist stuff (pro audio, etc) there's other stores.
fmajid 4y ago
B&H Photo, Adorama, Target, Dell.com, direct from the manufacturer

dehrmann 4y ago

Just filter by seller.

kube-system 4y ago
Doesn’t work when FBA inventory is commingled.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Also, I often do not see an option to filter by seller on Amazon.
  - dehrmann 4y ago
    You have to filter by category first.

prepend 4y ago

I’ve had good success with Walmart. The prices are usually the same and they have free shipping over $35.

Xenoamorphous 4y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32628381 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32628381
datalopers 4y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32628381 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32628381 Walmart is garbage for the same reason as Amazon. Unmoderated third-party sellers.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  You can filter out third party sellers on Walmart.com
- prepend 4y ago
  Like lotsofpulp said, Walmart makes it quite easy to filter out 3rd party sellers. But with Amazon this is sometimes impossible because of fulfilled by Amazon and commingling of skus. I’ve also found it useful to limit to only what’s available in my local Walmart. Walmart isn’t perfect but their quality control is much higher. Oddly, their customer support is much better too. The last few times with Amazon the rep was like pulling teeth. They once asked me to mail back a $10 item so they could review its quality. It’s just a hassle that Id like to avoid by working with higher quality retailers. I don’t think it’s a consumer cost issue either as Amazon isn’t cheapest. I think it’s just where they are choosing to make their money and they’ve shifted from innovation and market capture to rent seeking.

c0nducktr 4y ago

I've seen people recommend eBay over Amazon lately, because the sellers actually have to manage their reputation.

actually_a_dog 4y ago

You could try the FakeSpot extension. https://www.fakespot.com/extension-vs-analyzer https://www.fakespot.com/extension-vs-analyzer

herbst 4y ago

AliExpress. All the producers are there anyway, if you buy from the official stores you don't get fakes. Much easier to not get scammed than Amazon with all those resellers with their fake reviews and endless ad budgets. And if you got lied to you get your money back usually without even sending the item back. Customer service is top notch.

microtherion 4y ago
Exactly. Shipping is considerably slower than with Amazon, but customer service is no-nonsense, and there are never problems with commingled inventory. Even if you don't buy from official stores, you can take your chances with another store. If they scam you, get a refund. If the product is good, keep ordering from them.
- herbst 4y ago
  Even the faster shipment argument is kinda invalid depending on where you life. I live in Switzerland so not only do most Amazon article not even ship to me, but those who do often take weeks as well. Not get me started on how many small packages got lost because of the German postal system. I rarely have issues from China and shipping can be as fast as 10 days sometimes.

bombcar 4y ago

Target, Best Buy, McMaster Carr, Home Depot. All have free or cheap shipping. Walmart somewhat if you search store or shipped and sold by Walmart.