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Well, you can probably easily see how this: https://blog.alexgleason.me/trans/ https://blog.alexgleason.me/trans/ would trigger some people

by xani_ 4y ago

P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
What I'm getting from this is the vilifying is really about identity politics. Which makes sense and means I pegged it correctly.
- wizzwizz4 4y ago
  No, it's not about that. This developer created a fake website claiming to represent the whole Fediverse, à la https://joinmastodon.org/ https://joinmastodon.org/. His version recommends the following instances, in order, with the message "Browse a small sample of Fediverse servers that are welcoming to newcomers below.": • Literal Neo-Nazi site. Defederated by nearly all of Fedi because they are literal, card-carrying Nazis. • Transphobia-even-if-it-means-misogyny site run by his wife. Defederated by most of fedi, for harassment campaigns. Defederated from my instance for harassing a cis woman who worked at a feminist charity for, as I recall, having pronouns in her bio, which is apparently too much like solidarity for them. (There were a couple of good people on that instance, last time I checked. Well, one good person. I think she messaged me later, saying she left.) • His personal instance that basically nobody uses. (It's too obscure to be blocked by most of Fedi, but it's blocked by most of the instances he tries to interact with; he inevitably breaks their rules.) • shitposter.club: A kinda-okay, but not moderated to my taste, instance. Blocked by some of fedi; probably on the list because they still federate with his personal instance. • freespeechextremist.com: A barely moderated instance that… well, I trust its sysadmin – sorry, its BOFH. And it is friendly. But it's a "free speech zone", with all that entails; there are some total arseholes there, and the only thing keeping them from causing major damage is the relentless bullying they get from the other users until they leave. The bottom two are legitimately part of the Fediverse – albeit the shady alleyways of the Fediverse – but we've almost universally shunned the top three. This developer used SEO hacks to get his fake near the top of the search results. (Please don't link it here; we don't need to give it more SEO juice.) He does not represent the people who make the protocols; he does not represent the people who curate the communities; he does not represent the communities; and yet he claims to, all the while decrying how mean the community is being to him. We just want to live our lives, and use the 'net to talk to each other. If anyone's making this political, it's him.
  - account42 4y ago
    https://jointhefedi.com/ https://jointhefedi.com/ Why is it fake just because you don't like the choice of recommended instances. Does it not make sense to recommend instances that are more open to federating with others?
  - reply-chan 4y ago
    made an account simply to say that when you say things like "The bottom two are legitimately part of the Fediverse – albeit the shady alleyways of the Fediverse" its really obvious how poorly you think of these other groups, such that even if they're still people using the same software for this, that because of their views they aren't "legitimate". i dont really get that, but i figure i'd say that when you lead off with They're Literal Neo Nazis, 1) people tend to not care (and if you or someone else does, dont join them, defed, mute. just let others live their own lives ffs) and 2) not all poast users are nazis even if many of them are, same with fse or spc or any other given. also as far as "no one uses his instance" idk i think 500 people is a pretty big amount to have a personal dev server. if you want to just live your life, stop posting about how some guy who has no access to your life beyond you looking at his stuff or being shown it on fedi. just block the guy, mute instance, set up a reject, and fucking focus on something else. theres other shit to do that isnt giving a shit about some nerd on the internet that you dont like. theres so many other things in fact that i'd imagine you'd enjoy doing much more than thinking about Alex Gleason. have a good day yo.
    - wizzwizz4 4y ago
      > its really obvious how poorly you think of these other groups, Nah, shady alleyways are great. I'm friendly acquaintances with quite a few people there, and it's legitimately the right place for them. They're just not places I'd send somebody new to the Fediverse to, for the same reason I wouldn't direct a tourist through the backstreets. Sorry if the analogy wasn't clear. But the others? They aren't legitimate members of the community. They're not making the protocols; they're not interested in the ideals or in collaboration; and they want to hurt the people who are. > when you lead off with They're Literal Neo Nazis I don't know how else to describe them. What do you call somebody who puts Nazi armbands, pictures of Adolf Hitler, and the word 'Nazi' in their bio, and regularly talks about how much they want to commit genocide? People who are so aligned with Nazism that they even call themselves Nazis are not welcome. It's not just "views". They want to murder us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism > many of them are [Nazis], same with fse or spc or any other given. Nope, couldn't find any Nazis on SPC. There are xenophobes and self-described fascists on FSE, but I haven't seen any card-carrying Nazis – and I've already said what I have to say about that instance, anyway. If somebody there starts causing problems for the rest of Fedi, they soon discover they can't take what they dish out. There are disagreements about basically everything else, but the Fediverse does not tolerate actual Nazis. > stop posting about how some guy who has no access to your life To my knowledge, this is the second thing I've written about him that wasn't to him. (The first was my previous comment in this thread.) I don't have any particular reason to rant about him – but that doesn't mean I'm going to avoid discussing him when it's relevant. He's not a stranger to me. While he was still tolerated in them, we ran in the same circles. I trusted him enough to approve his follow request.¹ The last conversation I remember us having – before I made some followers-only posts about myself that, apparently, put me on his 'undesirables' list – was me being excited to play his upcoming video game.² It's not a case of him being kicked out of our spaces; he removed himself from them with his antagonistic and bullying behaviour. (He even tried to force people to use his protocols by deliberately breaking compatibility; that's not how the Fediverse works.) And now he's pretending he speaks for the whole Fediverse – something none of us do – when his software isn't even compatible with Diaspora*. And he's telling people that a group of Nazis is the Fediverse's idea of "welcoming to newcomers". If he stopped being such a prick, I'd welcome him back. Because I liked him. --- ¹: He uses Pleroma, so everything short of DMs would've shown up on his Home timeline. Unlike Mastodon's Home timeline algorithm, this would've included unlisted replies to other people's unlisted threads, and my parts of 'followers-only' conversations even where he wasn't following the other participants. So, quite a lot of access to my life, actually. ²: The video game appears abandoned, now; it's unfinished, and hasn't been worked on for over two years. Must've dropped off his list of priorities.

Well, you can probably easily see how this: https://blog.alexgleason.me/trans/ https://blog.alexgleason.me/trans/ would trigger some people

by xani_ 4y ago

Well, you can probably easily see how this: https://blog.alexgleason.me/trans/ https://blog.alexgleason.me/trans/ would trigger some people

P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago

What I'm getting from this is the vilifying is really about identity politics. Which makes sense and means I pegged it correctly.

wizzwizz4 4y ago
No, it's not about that. This developer created a fake website claiming to represent the whole Fediverse, à la https://joinmastodon.org/ https://joinmastodon.org/. His version recommends the following instances, in order, with the message "Browse a small sample of Fediverse servers that are welcoming to newcomers below.": • Literal Neo-Nazi site. Defederated by nearly all of Fedi because they are literal, card-carrying Nazis. • Transphobia-even-if-it-means-misogyny site run by his wife. Defederated by most of fedi, for harassment campaigns. Defederated from my instance for harassing a cis woman who worked at a feminist charity for, as I recall, having pronouns in her bio, which is apparently too much like solidarity for them. (There were a couple of good people on that instance, last time I checked. Well, one good person. I think she messaged me later, saying she left.) • His personal instance that basically nobody uses. (It's too obscure to be blocked by most of Fedi, but it's blocked by most of the instances he tries to interact with; he inevitably breaks their rules.) • shitposter.club: A kinda-okay, but not moderated to my taste, instance. Blocked by some of fedi; probably on the list because they still federate with his personal instance. • freespeechextremist.com: A barely moderated instance that… well, I trust its sysadmin – sorry, its BOFH. And it is friendly. But it's a "free speech zone", with all that entails; there are some total arseholes there, and the only thing keeping them from causing major damage is the relentless bullying they get from the other users until they leave. The bottom two are legitimately part of the Fediverse – albeit the shady alleyways of the Fediverse – but we've almost universally shunned the top three. This developer used SEO hacks to get his fake near the top of the search results. (Please don't link it here; we don't need to give it more SEO juice.) He does not represent the people who make the protocols; he does not represent the people who curate the communities; he does not represent the communities; and yet he claims to, all the while decrying how mean the community is being to him. We just want to live our lives, and use the 'net to talk to each other. If anyone's making this political, it's him.
- account42 4y ago
  https://jointhefedi.com/ https://jointhefedi.com/ Why is it fake just because you don't like the choice of recommended instances. Does it not make sense to recommend instances that are more open to federating with others?
- reply-chan 4y ago
  made an account simply to say that when you say things like "The bottom two are legitimately part of the Fediverse – albeit the shady alleyways of the Fediverse" its really obvious how poorly you think of these other groups, such that even if they're still people using the same software for this, that because of their views they aren't "legitimate". i dont really get that, but i figure i'd say that when you lead off with They're Literal Neo Nazis, 1) people tend to not care (and if you or someone else does, dont join them, defed, mute. just let others live their own lives ffs) and 2) not all poast users are nazis even if many of them are, same with fse or spc or any other given. also as far as "no one uses his instance" idk i think 500 people is a pretty big amount to have a personal dev server. if you want to just live your life, stop posting about how some guy who has no access to your life beyond you looking at his stuff or being shown it on fedi. just block the guy, mute instance, set up a reject, and fucking focus on something else. theres other shit to do that isnt giving a shit about some nerd on the internet that you dont like. theres so many other things in fact that i'd imagine you'd enjoy doing much more than thinking about Alex Gleason. have a good day yo.
  - wizzwizz4 4y ago
    > its really obvious how poorly you think of these other groups, Nah, shady alleyways are great. I'm friendly acquaintances with quite a few people there, and it's legitimately the right place for them. They're just not places I'd send somebody new to the Fediverse to, for the same reason I wouldn't direct a tourist through the backstreets. Sorry if the analogy wasn't clear. But the others? They aren't legitimate members of the community. They're not making the protocols; they're not interested in the ideals or in collaboration; and they want to hurt the people who are. > when you lead off with They're Literal Neo Nazis I don't know how else to describe them. What do you call somebody who puts Nazi armbands, pictures of Adolf Hitler, and the word 'Nazi' in their bio, and regularly talks about how much they want to commit genocide? People who are so aligned with Nazism that they even call themselves Nazis are not welcome. It's not just "views". They want to murder us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism > many of them are [Nazis], same with fse or spc or any other given. Nope, couldn't find any Nazis on SPC. There are xenophobes and self-described fascists on FSE, but I haven't seen any card-carrying Nazis – and I've already said what I have to say about that instance, anyway. If somebody there starts causing problems for the rest of Fedi, they soon discover they can't take what they dish out. There are disagreements about basically everything else, but the Fediverse does not tolerate actual Nazis. > stop posting about how some guy who has no access to your life To my knowledge, this is the second thing I've written about him that wasn't to him. (The first was my previous comment in this thread.) I don't have any particular reason to rant about him – but that doesn't mean I'm going to avoid discussing him when it's relevant. He's not a stranger to me. While he was still tolerated in them, we ran in the same circles. I trusted him enough to approve his follow request.¹ The last conversation I remember us having – before I made some followers-only posts about myself that, apparently, put me on his 'undesirables' list – was me being excited to play his upcoming video game.² It's not a case of him being kicked out of our spaces; he removed himself from them with his antagonistic and bullying behaviour. (He even tried to force people to use his protocols by deliberately breaking compatibility; that's not how the Fediverse works.) And now he's pretending he speaks for the whole Fediverse – something none of us do – when his software isn't even compatible with Diaspora*. And he's telling people that a group of Nazis is the Fediverse's idea of "welcoming to newcomers". If he stopped being such a prick, I'd welcome him back. Because I liked him. --- ¹: He uses Pleroma, so everything short of DMs would've shown up on his Home timeline. Unlike Mastodon's Home timeline algorithm, this would've included unlisted replies to other people's unlisted threads, and my parts of 'followers-only' conversations even where he wasn't following the other participants. So, quite a lot of access to my life, actually. ²: The video game appears abandoned, now; it's unfinished, and hasn't been worked on for over two years. Must've dropped off his list of priorities.