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25 years in the work force, 30 years in retirement? What kind of social service system would be able to support that?

by hey2022 4y ago

jelliclesfarm 4y ago
In a post scarcity economy, human beings don’t have to be gaslit into working till we die. This is in the realm of possibility within our lifetime.
postalrat 4y ago
Technology
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- poulsbohemian 4y ago
  When I was a 26 year old newly minted manager, I interviewed a guy who was pushing 60 who had retired early due to a stock windfall. Ten+ years later, with the market not doing so well and having overspent, there he was looking for a job. It's easy to think the good times in tech of the past decade will keep going, but these years have been somewhat of an anomaly - sure tech workers overall make pretty good money, but eff-you money is rare.
  - jelliclesfarm 4y ago
    I think the whole point of being able to retire early is not to rely on speculative markets like the stock market, but create a world where energy is free. If energy is freely available, all price supports and controls can be seen for what they truly are…..artificial constructs. Food, medicine, housing, energy and transportation are basic necessities. What do we spend most on? Everything else is tinder to keep the fires of consumption going. Human beings have enormous reserves of potential. None of it has been unlocked because we have been suckered into wage slavery. Work is essential. Everyone has to contribute. TANSTAAFL. But it doesn’t have to be 8 hours/day grind for 40 years of our lives. If you step back and think about it…it’s nuts. And entirely artificial.
bluefirebrand 4y ago
Many people don't make it to 80, and many people who do have serious dementia and would be on social services by then anyways.
- jelliclesfarm 4y ago
  I feel like people who haven’t grown up with grandparents don’t understand the value of seniors in our society. They are not just ‘old people’. From a non material perspective, life is rich when there are relationships and companionship and love. And we learn from our older generations and they are memory keepers. Society cannot learn and progress and evolve if we don’t treasure the elders amongst us. Sadly, this is lost in today’s world and especially in the west. Even in India where I grew up in a large multi generational family, the notion of multi generational families participating in child rearing is become rare with the current generations. We see the downsides of this. At least, I do. You can learn how to code or be a nuclear engineer at a college…but how do you learn what it takes to be in love and to be able to love? Learn cooperation and create partnerships..how to be kind and when to be kind. Or stern. We need elders. A society that doesn’t care for its most vulnerable is doomed to perish. That’s how we learn to be humans. And to be human is to learn how to cooperate and co exist in order to survive.

25 years in the work force, 30 years in retirement? What kind of social service system would be able to support that?

In a post scarcity economy, human beings don’t have to be gaslit into working till we die. This is in the realm of possibility within our lifetime.

postalrat 4y ago

Technology

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poulsbohemian 4y ago
When I was a 26 year old newly minted manager, I interviewed a guy who was pushing 60 who had retired early due to a stock windfall. Ten+ years later, with the market not doing so well and having overspent, there he was looking for a job. It's easy to think the good times in tech of the past decade will keep going, but these years have been somewhat of an anomaly - sure tech workers overall make pretty good money, but eff-you money is rare.
- jelliclesfarm 4y ago
  I think the whole point of being able to retire early is not to rely on speculative markets like the stock market, but create a world where energy is free. If energy is freely available, all price supports and controls can be seen for what they truly are…..artificial constructs. Food, medicine, housing, energy and transportation are basic necessities. What do we spend most on? Everything else is tinder to keep the fires of consumption going. Human beings have enormous reserves of potential. None of it has been unlocked because we have been suckered into wage slavery. Work is essential. Everyone has to contribute. TANSTAAFL. But it doesn’t have to be 8 hours/day grind for 40 years of our lives. If you step back and think about it…it’s nuts. And entirely artificial.

bluefirebrand 4y ago

Many people don't make it to 80, and many people who do have serious dementia and would be on social services by then anyways.

jelliclesfarm 4y ago
I feel like people who haven’t grown up with grandparents don’t understand the value of seniors in our society. They are not just ‘old people’. From a non material perspective, life is rich when there are relationships and companionship and love. And we learn from our older generations and they are memory keepers. Society cannot learn and progress and evolve if we don’t treasure the elders amongst us. Sadly, this is lost in today’s world and especially in the west. Even in India where I grew up in a large multi generational family, the notion of multi generational families participating in child rearing is become rare with the current generations. We see the downsides of this. At least, I do. You can learn how to code or be a nuclear engineer at a college…but how do you learn what it takes to be in love and to be able to love? Learn cooperation and create partnerships..how to be kind and when to be kind. Or stern. We need elders. A society that doesn’t care for its most vulnerable is doomed to perish. That’s how we learn to be humans. And to be human is to learn how to cooperate and co exist in order to survive.