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> Yes, and those accusations are stupid Your original claim was "nobody accuses the proponents of those laws of being motivated by racism.". You were wrong. No

> Yes, and those accusations are stupid Your original claim was "nobody accuses the proponents of those laws of being motivated by racism.". You were wrong. Now you are moving the goalposts. > Do you accuse abortion advocates of being motivated by racism? That is indeed something that conservatives accuse pro-choice people of quite often. In all these cases you need to look at: 1. How recent the original motivations were and if they are still in place. 2. Outcomes. In the case of the drug war, the motivations were recent and include several modern presidents from both sides of the aisle. Starting with Nixon but including Reagan and Bill Clinton. And the outcome is jails filled with black people arrested on drug charges when the reality is that white people in the US both deal drugs and use drugs at a higher rate than black people. You have recency, motivations still in place, and outcomes. With abortions you neither have recency nor outcomes. The black population in the US is growing at a healthy rate. In fact, the black population in the US is young. Over a third of the U.S. Black population was 22 years or younger in 2019. > you recognize that there are independent reasons for those policies A policy can be motivated by both racism and other reasons. They aren't exclusive.

rayiner 4y ago
> Your original claim was "nobody accuses the proponents of those laws of being motivated by racism." The phrase “those laws” refers to the immediately preceding “lots of other laws.” Not “all other laws.” The point is that people are selective about whether they throw around accusations of racism when a law has discriminatory impacts. Not that they allege racism only with respect to the drug war. As to conservatives making accusations that abortion is racist, they’re dumb and wrong. But the discriminatory impact of abortion on Black people is undeniable. According to Guttmacher, the Black abortion rate is five times higher than the white abortion rate. Black population growth as a percentage of the population has been stagnant for decades. That will directly lead to loss of Black political power as Hispanics have overtaken them as the largest minority group, and soon Asians will overtake them as well. And the recency is there too. People point to the things Nixon said about the drug war. But read about Nixon’s Population Control Commission!
- tchaffee 4y ago
  > The point is that people are selective about whether they throw around accusations of racism when a law has discriminatory impacts Of course they are. Not all discriminatory laws were put into place by racists like Nixon. > the Black abortion rate is five times higher than the white abortion rate. So what? The birth rate for black people is higher than the birth rate for white people. And the birth rate for Hispanic people in the US is barely higher than that for black people. Birth rate is what matters. Abortion rates are almost meaningless. > as Hispanics have overtaken them as the largest minority group Due to immigration... not birth rates. You're doing such a poor job with data and logic that I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm stopping here.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    > Not all discriminatory laws were put into place by racists like Nixon. I thought the theory was that white people were generally racists? > So what? The birth rate for black people is higher than the birth rate for white people. So what is that most Black people themselves don’t think that an abortion is an inconsequential event. They are the reason for Clinton’s “safe, legal, and rare” messaging. They might support its legality, but many still think it’s killing a human life. When that happens five times as much to Black women as white women, that’s a significant burden. > Due to immigration... not birth rates. Hispanics have both immigration and higher birth rates. And if abortion rates between whites and blacks were equal, higher birth rates would offset both.
    - random314 4y ago
      Dude, you need to give up already.

rayiner 4y ago

> Your original claim was "nobody accuses the proponents of those laws of being motivated by racism." The phrase “those laws” refers to the immediately preceding “lots of other laws.” Not “all other laws.” The point is that people are selective about whether they throw around accusations of racism when a law has discriminatory impacts. Not that they allege racism only with respect to the drug war. As to conservatives making accusations that abortion is racist, they’re dumb and wrong. But the discriminatory impact of abortion on Black people is undeniable. According to Guttmacher, the Black abortion rate is five times higher than the white abortion rate. Black population growth as a percentage of the population has been stagnant for decades. That will directly lead to loss of Black political power as Hispanics have overtaken them as the largest minority group, and soon Asians will overtake them as well. And the recency is there too. People point to the things Nixon said about the drug war. But read about Nixon’s Population Control Commission!

tchaffee 4y ago
> The point is that people are selective about whether they throw around accusations of racism when a law has discriminatory impacts Of course they are. Not all discriminatory laws were put into place by racists like Nixon. > the Black abortion rate is five times higher than the white abortion rate. So what? The birth rate for black people is higher than the birth rate for white people. And the birth rate for Hispanic people in the US is barely higher than that for black people. Birth rate is what matters. Abortion rates are almost meaningless. > as Hispanics have overtaken them as the largest minority group Due to immigration... not birth rates. You're doing such a poor job with data and logic that I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm stopping here.
- rayiner 4y ago
  > Not all discriminatory laws were put into place by racists like Nixon. I thought the theory was that white people were generally racists? > So what? The birth rate for black people is higher than the birth rate for white people. So what is that most Black people themselves don’t think that an abortion is an inconsequential event. They are the reason for Clinton’s “safe, legal, and rare” messaging. They might support its legality, but many still think it’s killing a human life. When that happens five times as much to Black women as white women, that’s a significant burden. > Due to immigration... not birth rates. Hispanics have both immigration and higher birth rates. And if abortion rates between whites and blacks were equal, higher birth rates would offset both.
  - random314 4y ago
    Dude, you need to give up already.