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That's not "changed his mind", that's "found ways to route around the braindamage with unofficial things the GNOME 3 'designers' won't accept".

by nknight 15y ago

bergie 15y ago
Ah, yes, that must be why GNOME hosts an extensions gallery for the shell: https://extensions.gnome.org/ https://extensions.gnome.org/ Also, nice calling the work of others "brain damage" when they really try to improve the state of desktop usability. Granted, not every of the concepts is brilliant, but if you don't try, we'll be stuck in Windows 95 concepts forever
- dextorious 15y ago
  """Ah, yes, that must be why GNOME hosts an extensions gallery for the shell""" Isn't it obvious that he means that they won't accept them as built-in and/or the defaults, not that they don't accept them as extensions. Linus also alludes to the exact same thing when he suggests they make them "easy to find and part of the standard install", and adds: Or would that be too close to "Ok, we admit we were wong" and thus not politically acceptable? """Also, nice calling the work of others "brain damage" when they really try to improve the state of desktop usability.""" The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
  - bergie 15y ago
    Isn't it obvious that he means that they won't accept them as built-in and/or the defaults, not that they don't accept them as extensions. Shipping sane defaults is not a bad way to go, given that the extensions are easily findable and installable by power users that want them. I still run GNOME 3.0, so the extension installer doesn't work for me, so I can't confirm. But I think with GNOME 3.2 onwards the extensions gallery stuff should be installable pretty much as easily as extensions for your browser are. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I can assure you, the road to hell is not paved at all: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/153040664/in/set-72157594144835484 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/153040664/in/set-7215759... (as context, there is a valley called 'Hell' in South Africa) Oh, and it should be mentioned that nothing stops Linux distributions from shipping the extensions they feel necessary. Look at what the Mint guys did for their GNOME 3 setup: http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_lisa_whatsnew.php http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_lisa_whatsnew.php
- mbq 15y ago
  The problem is that Gnome authors didn't gave a chance to try -- they've just made a beta version lacking most functionality of the previous incarnations and shipped it along with all problems of fresh version of Gtk and systemd saying "Look how we've made Gnome better!". No wonder almost everybody hated this almost instantly.
  - bkor 15y ago
    systemd is not part of GNOME
dillon 15y ago
I agree with you, he didn't change his mind, he explained why GNOME 3 is slowly becoming usable...

That's not "changed his mind", that's "found ways to route around the braindamage with unofficial things the GNOME 3 'designers' won't accept".

by nknight 15y ago

That's not "changed his mind", that's "found ways to route around the braindamage with unofficial things the GNOME 3 'designers' won't accept".

bergie 15y ago

Ah, yes, that must be why GNOME hosts an extensions gallery for the shell: https://extensions.gnome.org/ https://extensions.gnome.org/ Also, nice calling the work of others "brain damage" when they really try to improve the state of desktop usability. Granted, not every of the concepts is brilliant, but if you don't try, we'll be stuck in Windows 95 concepts forever

dextorious 15y ago
"""Ah, yes, that must be why GNOME hosts an extensions gallery for the shell""" Isn't it obvious that he means that they won't accept them as built-in and/or the defaults, not that they don't accept them as extensions. Linus also alludes to the exact same thing when he suggests they make them "easy to find and part of the standard install", and adds: Or would that be too close to "Ok, we admit we were wong" and thus not politically acceptable? """Also, nice calling the work of others "brain damage" when they really try to improve the state of desktop usability.""" The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
- bergie 15y ago
  Isn't it obvious that he means that they won't accept them as built-in and/or the defaults, not that they don't accept them as extensions. Shipping sane defaults is not a bad way to go, given that the extensions are easily findable and installable by power users that want them. I still run GNOME 3.0, so the extension installer doesn't work for me, so I can't confirm. But I think with GNOME 3.2 onwards the extensions gallery stuff should be installable pretty much as easily as extensions for your browser are. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I can assure you, the road to hell is not paved at all: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/153040664/in/set-72157594144835484 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/153040664/in/set-7215759... (as context, there is a valley called 'Hell' in South Africa) Oh, and it should be mentioned that nothing stops Linux distributions from shipping the extensions they feel necessary. Look at what the Mint guys did for their GNOME 3 setup: http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_lisa_whatsnew.php http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_lisa_whatsnew.php
mbq 15y ago
The problem is that Gnome authors didn't gave a chance to try -- they've just made a beta version lacking most functionality of the previous incarnations and shipped it along with all problems of fresh version of Gtk and systemd saying "Look how we've made Gnome better!". No wonder almost everybody hated this almost instantly.
- bkor 15y ago
  systemd is not part of GNOME

dillon 15y ago

I agree with you, he didn't change his mind, he explained why GNOME 3 is slowly becoming usable...