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A store is a place where I expect to be monitored both by eyes and cameras. Sending keystrokes from a form I haven’t submitted is like putting the camera insid

A store is a place where I expect to be monitored both by eyes and cameras. Sending keystrokes from a form I haven’t submitted is like putting the camera inside the fitting room.

Alupis 4y ago
Or, it's like watching you add stuff to your shopping cart, walk around the store, then remove some items, pick different items... and finally walk to the self checkout, scan and buy the goods.
- Nicksil 4y ago
  >Or, it's like watching you add stuff to your shopping cart, walk around the store, then remove some items, pick different items... and finally walk to the self checkout, scan and buy the goods. It's their property. A website (or app or whatever) is downloaded to my machine and then executed. So all this stuff going on behind the scenes is doing so from my property, using my resources.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    Websites are absolutely someone's intellectual property. Just because I've watched a Disney movie on my phone doesn't mean I'm allowed to download Disney movies from Disney+ and start my own competing service.
    - Nicksil 4y ago
      >Websites are absolutely someone's intellectual property. Just because I've watched a Disney movie on my phone doesn't mean I'm allowed to download Disney movies from Disney+ and start my own competing service. I wasn't referencing intellectual property. Re-phrased: "It's their premises."
      - GekkePrutser 4y ago
        Even that isn't the same. It's still being displayed and then rendered on my computer. For example using an adblocker on my PC while viewing a website is perfectly legal. Same with scripts that interfere with tracking. Now, if I go to the physical store and remove posters and cameras, I bet that will lead to some more resistance.
    - matheusmoreira 4y ago
      So what? Because websites are someone's imaginary property, they're somehow justified in literally wiretapping anyone who ever visits it? No. Websites are just some data and code that their servers send to my user agent. Once it's in my computer, it's under my control. Executing code and rendering elements are privileges and they can be revoked in case of abuse. If it's important enough to me I'll reverse engineer the website and write my own code to do what I want with zero foreign code execution.
_abox 4y ago
For security and theft prevention yes. For market research no. The purpose is very important (which is why it's so key in legislation like GDPR)

A store is a place where I expect to be monitored both by eyes and cameras. Sending keystrokes from a form I haven’t submitted is like putting the camera inside the fitting room.

Alupis 4y ago

Or, it's like watching you add stuff to your shopping cart, walk around the store, then remove some items, pick different items... and finally walk to the self checkout, scan and buy the goods.

Nicksil 4y ago
>Or, it's like watching you add stuff to your shopping cart, walk around the store, then remove some items, pick different items... and finally walk to the self checkout, scan and buy the goods. It's their property. A website (or app or whatever) is downloaded to my machine and then executed. So all this stuff going on behind the scenes is doing so from my property, using my resources.
- fragmede 4y ago
  Websites are absolutely someone's intellectual property. Just because I've watched a Disney movie on my phone doesn't mean I'm allowed to download Disney movies from Disney+ and start my own competing service.
  - Nicksil 4y ago
    >Websites are absolutely someone's intellectual property. Just because I've watched a Disney movie on my phone doesn't mean I'm allowed to download Disney movies from Disney+ and start my own competing service. I wasn't referencing intellectual property. Re-phrased: "It's their premises."
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      Even that isn't the same. It's still being displayed and then rendered on my computer. For example using an adblocker on my PC while viewing a website is perfectly legal. Same with scripts that interfere with tracking. Now, if I go to the physical store and remove posters and cameras, I bet that will lead to some more resistance.
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    So what? Because websites are someone's imaginary property, they're somehow justified in literally wiretapping anyone who ever visits it? No. Websites are just some data and code that their servers send to my user agent. Once it's in my computer, it's under my control. Executing code and rendering elements are privileges and they can be revoked in case of abuse. If it's important enough to me I'll reverse engineer the website and write my own code to do what I want with zero foreign code execution.

_abox 4y ago

For security and theft prevention yes. For market research no. The purpose is very important (which is why it's so key in legislation like GDPR)