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That is a hilarious position to take without any proof. I would love to see your stats on how cops and prosecutors are happy to ignore violence at scale, everyw

That is a hilarious position to take without any proof. I would love to see your stats on how cops and prosecutors are happy to ignore violence at scale, everywhere. If non-violent crime is indeed rare, would you be eligible for parole in my thought experiment where everybody starts off incarcerated? How could I trust that you wouldn’t violently jaywalk or violently forget the contents of your trunk and bring an apple across state lines? Serious question: Do you work in or for law enforcement? The only people I’ve ever spoken to that maintain “people that smoke weed are indistinguishable from rapists and murderers” are people whose income in some way relies on holding that opinion.

tonymet 4y ago
seems like you mis read. I’m not implying weed smokers at large are violent. Among the ones who are currently in federal prison and eligible for release in this program, the majority were likely violent because their charges were reduced and there’s no way to separate the wheat from the chaff. I’m just a civilian victim of crimes who knows that releasing criminals causes crime. If you want to see proof, look at crime rates in CA cities, Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans . Those cities have been letting prisoners out letting suspects out with no bail. Almost all crime is committed by a small percentage of people. You don’t have to let many criminals out for big increases in crime. You’re concerned about the criminals and I’m concerned about the victims.
- braingenious 4y ago
  How is it possible that it is not possible to distinguish between violent and non violent crime? In most cases, violent crime has victims, be they animal, mineral or vegetable. Your point is that people in jail for weed are probably violent? Based on what? I’ll repeat my earlier question: > Serious question: Do you work in or for law enforcement? The only people I’ve ever spoken to that maintain “people that smoke weed are indistinguishable from rapists and murderers” are people whose income in some way relies on holding that opinion. Also I’ll add my second question: Since there are only two groups of people, “violent criminals” (since all criminals must be assumed to be violent) and “victims”, what group does someone that’s wrongfully imprisoned fall into? Who exactly do I care about then? Criminal or victim of a shitty criminal system? Also, would you get parole in the world of “guilty of violent crime until proven innocent” world? I’m fascinated about your willingness to make theoretical statements paired with your allergy to answering theoretical (and while we’re at it, basic factual) questions.
  - tonymet 4y ago
    reality

tonymet 4y ago

seems like you mis read. I’m not implying weed smokers at large are violent. Among the ones who are currently in federal prison and eligible for release in this program, the majority were likely violent because their charges were reduced and there’s no way to separate the wheat from the chaff. I’m just a civilian victim of crimes who knows that releasing criminals causes crime. If you want to see proof, look at crime rates in CA cities, Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans . Those cities have been letting prisoners out letting suspects out with no bail. Almost all crime is committed by a small percentage of people. You don’t have to let many criminals out for big increases in crime. You’re concerned about the criminals and I’m concerned about the victims.

braingenious 4y ago
How is it possible that it is not possible to distinguish between violent and non violent crime? In most cases, violent crime has victims, be they animal, mineral or vegetable. Your point is that people in jail for weed are probably violent? Based on what? I’ll repeat my earlier question: > Serious question: Do you work in or for law enforcement? The only people I’ve ever spoken to that maintain “people that smoke weed are indistinguishable from rapists and murderers” are people whose income in some way relies on holding that opinion. Also I’ll add my second question: Since there are only two groups of people, “violent criminals” (since all criminals must be assumed to be violent) and “victims”, what group does someone that’s wrongfully imprisoned fall into? Who exactly do I care about then? Criminal or victim of a shitty criminal system? Also, would you get parole in the world of “guilty of violent crime until proven innocent” world? I’m fascinated about your willingness to make theoretical statements paired with your allergy to answering theoretical (and while we’re at it, basic factual) questions.
- tonymet 4y ago
  reality