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yes, an old version of zOS that you can't download without a license, and I have zero idea how to even install the OS. I want something official, supported, an

yes, an old version of zOS that you can't download without a license, and I have zero idea how to even install the OS. I want something official, supported, and free or cheap to acquire and free to use for (at least) development.

icedchai 4y ago
Understood. I installed that old version a couple years ago. Unfortunately, I had no idea how to use it and the documentation I found wasn't the best, so I moved on to something else.
nix23 4y ago
>and I have zero idea how to even install the OS. You definitely lack motivation, maybe search for something else then Mainframes then? ;)
- naikrovek 4y ago
  I am speaking in the present tense, not future tense. I don't CURRENTLY know how to install z/OS. this says exactly nothing about the future or my motivation. I do have ADHD though, so motivation to do anything is often in short supply with the current Adderall shortage. sometimes I can hyper-focus on a thing if I am highly interested and this ability has both carried me through my career and held me back significantly. surface level knowledge is pretty easy. median expertise requires a good few days of hyperfocus. a few days (6 or less) is the most I get, so expert level knowledge is perpetually out of reach, even when I am very interested in the topic :( so I guess you've got a point. I am somewhat of a slave to this condition, and this is why it is an ADA-recognized disability.
js8 4y ago
Look for z/OS ADCD on torrent sites, older (no longer supported) z/OS versions are sometimes out there. The DASD images can be easily configured and IPLed in Hercules. More modern version (the one that come with zPDT emulator package) cannot be pirated anymore. I wish IBM at least made the no longer supported z/OS versions legal. No sane company would dare to run their mainframe stuff without IBM support, anyway. I think they are really shooting themselves to the foot, but hey, no executive today thinks long-term.
- skissane 4y ago
  > More modern version (the one that come with zPDT emulator package) cannot be pirated anymore. I don't think it can't be pirated. IBM has made it a bit harder (DRM encryption of the installation media), but nothing a sufficiently motivated and skilled person couldn't bypass. However, I guess that extra difficulty has been enough to dissuade people from actually doing it, thus far at least.
- naikrovek 4y ago
  > no executive today thinks long-term 100% agree. 101% even.

icedchai 4y ago

Understood. I installed that old version a couple years ago. Unfortunately, I had no idea how to use it and the documentation I found wasn't the best, so I moved on to something else.

nix23 4y ago

>and I have zero idea how to even install the OS. You definitely lack motivation, maybe search for something else then Mainframes then? ;)

naikrovek 4y ago
I am speaking in the present tense, not future tense. I don't CURRENTLY know how to install z/OS. this says exactly nothing about the future or my motivation. I do have ADHD though, so motivation to do anything is often in short supply with the current Adderall shortage. sometimes I can hyper-focus on a thing if I am highly interested and this ability has both carried me through my career and held me back significantly. surface level knowledge is pretty easy. median expertise requires a good few days of hyperfocus. a few days (6 or less) is the most I get, so expert level knowledge is perpetually out of reach, even when I am very interested in the topic :( so I guess you've got a point. I am somewhat of a slave to this condition, and this is why it is an ADA-recognized disability.

js8 4y ago

Look for z/OS ADCD on torrent sites, older (no longer supported) z/OS versions are sometimes out there. The DASD images can be easily configured and IPLed in Hercules. More modern version (the one that come with zPDT emulator package) cannot be pirated anymore. I wish IBM at least made the no longer supported z/OS versions legal. No sane company would dare to run their mainframe stuff without IBM support, anyway. I think they are really shooting themselves to the foot, but hey, no executive today thinks long-term.

skissane 4y ago
> More modern version (the one that come with zPDT emulator package) cannot be pirated anymore. I don't think it can't be pirated. IBM has made it a bit harder (DRM encryption of the installation media), but nothing a sufficiently motivated and skilled person couldn't bypass. However, I guess that extra difficulty has been enough to dissuade people from actually doing it, thus far at least.
naikrovek 4y ago
> no executive today thinks long-term 100% agree. 101% even.