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To me this misses what age group of kids are we talking about. If you're 12 and writing an essay on something as an exercise, go use Wikipedia. You will likely

by js8 4y ago

To me this misses what age group of kids are we talking about. If you're 12 and writing an essay on something as an exercise, go use Wikipedia. You will likely not be able to understand the primary sources, and secondary sources might be mixed bag. If you're in college, that's a different story. You should prefer primary sources, but Wikipedia is still a great starting point. I would say the primary problem is that libraries as a public good suck nowadays, but that is caused by copyright, a neoliberal version of enclosures. If you really have to tell kids not to use Wikipedia, point them to a real alternative - SciHub and LibGen. ;-P

anon400232 4y ago
As valued as SciHub and LibGen may be, they are repositories of mostly disjoint materials. They are not seamlessly interconnected. As a very basic bar to strive for, I don't think either offer full text search over their contents. Any recommendedation for third party tools that might help?
- Avicebron 4y ago
  What do you mean by full text search over their contents? I just found a full published article? Do you mean that there's a competing article on libgen? If so, that's fairly normal with science, it changes year to year or month to month, those articles can both be valid in some sense because they are time dependent.
- Kim_Bruning 4y ago
  Many! In biology and medicine, pubmed is the most common ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ ) . For general purpose you can use google scholar ( https://scholar.google.com/ https://scholar.google.com/ ). When you find an interesting article, both these tools will allow you to both seach backwards for articles that it cites, and search forwards for articles that cite it in turn. Repeated application can quickly help you expand the pool of potentially relevant articles (especially once you surface review articles in the citation chain, which can help tie things together and/or let you jump across to associated topics) . Finally, both of these tools yield you a DOI which you can plug into scihub. You can also install the extension "Sci-Hub X Now!" to do this last bit for you. ( https://github.com/gchenfc/sci-hub-now https://github.com/gchenfc/sci-hub-now )
  - anon400232 4y ago
    Thanks for elaborating in case others don't know... but yes, I know of those :) I'm talking about a seamless tool that connects with SciHub and/or LibGen and provides full text search and so on.
- jacobolus 4y ago
  Start with https://scholar.google.com https://scholar.google.com or similar citation indices. When the full paper is not freely available, you can often paste a DOI into sci-hub.

by js8 4y ago

anon400232 4y ago

As valued as SciHub and LibGen may be, they are repositories of mostly disjoint materials. They are not seamlessly interconnected. As a very basic bar to strive for, I don't think either offer full text search over their contents. Any recommendedation for third party tools that might help?

Avicebron 4y ago
What do you mean by full text search over their contents? I just found a full published article? Do you mean that there's a competing article on libgen? If so, that's fairly normal with science, it changes year to year or month to month, those articles can both be valid in some sense because they are time dependent.
Kim_Bruning 4y ago
Many! In biology and medicine, pubmed is the most common ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ ) . For general purpose you can use google scholar ( https://scholar.google.com/ https://scholar.google.com/ ). When you find an interesting article, both these tools will allow you to both seach backwards for articles that it cites, and search forwards for articles that cite it in turn. Repeated application can quickly help you expand the pool of potentially relevant articles (especially once you surface review articles in the citation chain, which can help tie things together and/or let you jump across to associated topics) . Finally, both of these tools yield you a DOI which you can plug into scihub. You can also install the extension "Sci-Hub X Now!" to do this last bit for you. ( https://github.com/gchenfc/sci-hub-now https://github.com/gchenfc/sci-hub-now )
- anon400232 4y ago
  Thanks for elaborating in case others don't know... but yes, I know of those :) I'm talking about a seamless tool that connects with SciHub and/or LibGen and provides full text search and so on.
jacobolus 4y ago
Start with https://scholar.google.com https://scholar.google.com or similar citation indices. When the full paper is not freely available, you can often paste a DOI into sci-hub.