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Notice how your facts are not accompanied by an open source categorization algorithm (which would reveal how easy it is for them to be true, as stated/framed).

Notice how your facts are not accompanied by an open source categorization algorithm (which would reveal how easy it is for them to be true, as stated/framed). Also notice that this level of epistemic transparency is not only not needed for people to believe that what you say is true (and the beliefs that subsequently emerge from that), but will typically be actively opposed by both unintelligent and genuinely intelligent people.

imiric 4y ago
I don't understand what you're asking for. What I stated as facts can be independently verified by anyone with minor research. Troll farms are a reality. Cambridge Analytica and similar companies are a reality. QAnon started on an online forum, where most conspiracy theories live and grow. Information warfare exists on an unprecedented scale thanks to the internet, whether you're aware of it or not.
- mistermann 4y ago
  > I don't understand what you're asking for. What I stated as facts can be independently verified by anyone with minor research. "Troll farms are operated on a massive scale in Russia, China and most G20 nations, operated by their respective governments. Their direct goal is to spread disinformation and propaganda on social media" is a mostly binary (True/False) assertion, thus it is vague. The magnitude of these operations, and what they actually did (as opposed to what is claimed/implied/believed they did, typically without conclusive evidence, but lots of innuendo and rhetoric) is not actually known. Basically: imprecise framing of reality is misinformative. > QAnon started on an online forum, where most conspiracy theories live and grow. This is a subjective ontological claim, and it is not possible for you to prove that it is true (which is not required for belief, but is required for the JTB definition of Knowledge - not that anyone is able to care, anyways). It may also be possible that it is not possible for you to realize this. > Cambridge Analytica and similar companies are a reality. Reality may appear to be binary (True/False - and portions of it are), but it is actually fundamentally ternary (True/False/Other). > Information warfare exists on an unprecedented scale thanks to the internet, whether you're aware of it or not. I wonder which of us possesses more knowledge on that topic. Does your intuition suggest to you that it is you? Do you possess any tools and techniques in your epistemic toolkit for dealing with this very tricky aspect of consciousness?
  - imiric 4y ago
    You seem to have a superiority complex with a desire to win an argument rather than engage in an honest discussion, but I'll indulge you for a moment. > The magnitude of these operations, and what they actually did (as opposed to what is claimed/implied/believed they did, typically without conclusive evidence, but lots of innuendo and rhetoric) is not actually known. First of all, a basic principle of information warfare, and warfare of any kind for that matter, is to keep your enemy and the public at large in the dark as to how it's actually performed, and the extent of its operations. So the general public will only hear about what gets to leak out, and run through the filter of their own country's media, with its own biases and agendas. I'm speaking from the perspective of a layperson, and only know what the general public has access to. But I'm educated enough to be able to put 2 and 2 together, see the clear effects of psyops, and with the power of deduction conclude that this isn't just a single warehouse in an isolated town, but that these are operations on a global scale that are rarely reported in mainstream media. You, on the other hand, are implying to have some insider knowledge that contradicts mine. So how about you follow your own statement, and be precise in your framing of reality? > This is a subjective ontological claim, and it is not possible for you to prove that it is true Which part? QAnon started on 4chan[1]. The part about conspiracy theories thriving on forums and social media comes from my own experience on the internet. So, yes, it's subjective. Do you have a different opinion about this that you would like to share? > It may also be possible that it is not possible for you to realize this. It very well may be. I'm not very smart. > Reality may appear to be binary (True/False - and portions of it are), but it is actually fundamentally ternary (True/False/Other). What? Are you claiming that Cambridge Analytica didn't exist? Or that it existed in some other dimension? It's difficult to follow your big brain arguments. > I wonder which of us possesses more knowledge on that topic. I would like to say that I wonder that as well, but so far you haven't said anything that made me think that you do. So I think I have more knowledge. > Does your intuition suggest to you that it is you? Yes. Please prove me wrong. > Do you possess any tools and techniques in your epistemic toolkit for dealing with this very tricky aspect of consciousness? I don't think I do. I never thought I would be contemplating conciousness in a thread about disinformation, but here we are. Can you teach some some techniques to improve my perception of reality? [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/53498434 https://www.bbc.com/news/53498434

imiric 4y ago

I don't understand what you're asking for. What I stated as facts can be independently verified by anyone with minor research. Troll farms are a reality. Cambridge Analytica and similar companies are a reality. QAnon started on an online forum, where most conspiracy theories live and grow. Information warfare exists on an unprecedented scale thanks to the internet, whether you're aware of it or not.

mistermann 4y ago
> I don't understand what you're asking for. What I stated as facts can be independently verified by anyone with minor research. "Troll farms are operated on a massive scale in Russia, China and most G20 nations, operated by their respective governments. Their direct goal is to spread disinformation and propaganda on social media" is a mostly binary (True/False) assertion, thus it is vague. The magnitude of these operations, and what they actually did (as opposed to what is claimed/implied/believed they did, typically without conclusive evidence, but lots of innuendo and rhetoric) is not actually known. Basically: imprecise framing of reality is misinformative. > QAnon started on an online forum, where most conspiracy theories live and grow. This is a subjective ontological claim, and it is not possible for you to prove that it is true (which is not required for belief, but is required for the JTB definition of Knowledge - not that anyone is able to care, anyways). It may also be possible that it is not possible for you to realize this. > Cambridge Analytica and similar companies are a reality. Reality may appear to be binary (True/False - and portions of it are), but it is actually fundamentally ternary (True/False/Other). > Information warfare exists on an unprecedented scale thanks to the internet, whether you're aware of it or not. I wonder which of us possesses more knowledge on that topic. Does your intuition suggest to you that it is you? Do you possess any tools and techniques in your epistemic toolkit for dealing with this very tricky aspect of consciousness?
- imiric 4y ago
  You seem to have a superiority complex with a desire to win an argument rather than engage in an honest discussion, but I'll indulge you for a moment. > The magnitude of these operations, and what they actually did (as opposed to what is claimed/implied/believed they did, typically without conclusive evidence, but lots of innuendo and rhetoric) is not actually known. First of all, a basic principle of information warfare, and warfare of any kind for that matter, is to keep your enemy and the public at large in the dark as to how it's actually performed, and the extent of its operations. So the general public will only hear about what gets to leak out, and run through the filter of their own country's media, with its own biases and agendas. I'm speaking from the perspective of a layperson, and only know what the general public has access to. But I'm educated enough to be able to put 2 and 2 together, see the clear effects of psyops, and with the power of deduction conclude that this isn't just a single warehouse in an isolated town, but that these are operations on a global scale that are rarely reported in mainstream media. You, on the other hand, are implying to have some insider knowledge that contradicts mine. So how about you follow your own statement, and be precise in your framing of reality? > This is a subjective ontological claim, and it is not possible for you to prove that it is true Which part? QAnon started on 4chan[1]. The part about conspiracy theories thriving on forums and social media comes from my own experience on the internet. So, yes, it's subjective. Do you have a different opinion about this that you would like to share? > It may also be possible that it is not possible for you to realize this. It very well may be. I'm not very smart. > Reality may appear to be binary (True/False - and portions of it are), but it is actually fundamentally ternary (True/False/Other). What? Are you claiming that Cambridge Analytica didn't exist? Or that it existed in some other dimension? It's difficult to follow your big brain arguments. > I wonder which of us possesses more knowledge on that topic. I would like to say that I wonder that as well, but so far you haven't said anything that made me think that you do. So I think I have more knowledge. > Does your intuition suggest to you that it is you? Yes. Please prove me wrong. > Do you possess any tools and techniques in your epistemic toolkit for dealing with this very tricky aspect of consciousness? I don't think I do. I never thought I would be contemplating conciousness in a thread about disinformation, but here we are. Can you teach some some techniques to improve my perception of reality? [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/53498434 https://www.bbc.com/news/53498434