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Conspiracy-theory-isation exists because people resent being told what they are supposed to believe by an authority they do not trust. I'm personally very oppos

by im3w1l 4y ago

Conspiracy-theory-isation exists because people resent being told what they are supposed to believe by an authority they do not trust. I'm personally very opposed to forcing them to trust, to ramming the truth down their throat. Instead what I would prefer is that these people are given the tools to find the truth on their own. Simple tools that can be trusted just because they are simple, that do what they are supposed to, no more no less. They could be technological, software, or maybe even something as simple as teaching people about rhetoric and how to manipulate people so that they can detect other people doing it. Teaching people about logic and fallacies. Teaching people how to infer motives.

Dudeman112 4y ago
>I would prefer is that these people are given the tools to find the truth on their own You have a high degree of trust in humanity's capacity for rational thought, don't you? That trust is misplaced and will backfire if you ever have to rely on it
ryandrake 4y ago
> I'm personally very opposed to forcing them to trust, to ramming the truth down their throat. Instead what I would prefer is that these people are given the tools to find the truth on their own. But they think they've already done this. They used the Tools That The Ivory Tower Elites Hate like YouTube and Facebook, found the extreme crackpot content, and convinced themselves that with these tools they have finally found the truth that those nasty authority figures have been trying to hide from them!
ripe 4y ago
> Conspiracy-theory-isation exists because people resent being told what they are supposed to believe by an authority they do not trust. I keep hearing this theory, but it just begs the question: how are these people deciding which sources to trust? What makes them trust Fox News, Marjorie Taylor Greene, or Alex Jones rather than other "mainstream" news? Somehow, I don't think the problem is a lack of tools. Something deeper is going on.
- mistermann 4y ago
  > I keep hearing this theory, but it just begs the question: how are these people deciding which sources to trust? What makes them trust Fox News, Marjorie Taylor Greene, or Alex Jones rather than other "mainstream" news? Abstractly, the same way ~everyone does: heuristics, confirmation bias, post-hoc rationalization, etc. On a relative scale, some people's methodologies are better than others (often much better), but on an absolute scale they are almost all bad.
- andy_ppp 4y ago
  People always want explanations to things we simply don’t have good answers, maybe because we don’t have the information or because there is money to made selling macho pills online or just because a people don’t want to face reality. It is fundamentally a form of escapism that I think am we are all by default detectives in a thought game trying to find proof of diets that will make us live longer or find the true reason global warming is happening is sunspot activity.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  If unpopular opinion X turned out to be reality, early adopters/investors would come out ahead of skeptics - think how ridiculous quotes from internet nay-sayers now appear. If you can make your opinion reality, by either persuading or bullying people into accepting it, you don't need to trust it - you can just choose it and act accordingly. Politics is just religion without the anthropomorphism. Societies and civilizations need to be rational all the way down, just as people are not creatures of pure logic.
mrguyorama 4y ago
These kind of people say that the "tools" you suggest we give them are actually just attempts by the Illuminati to keep them down. At a certain point, they just refused reality, and instead insist they know more than you.
anigbrowl 4y ago
> I'm personally very opposed to forcing them to trust, to ramming the truth down their throat. They may feel no such scruples about doing so to you, though. Reciprocity is a good heuristic for many social situations, but when it goes wrong, it can go really wrong.

by im3w1l 4y ago

Dudeman112 4y ago

>I would prefer is that these people are given the tools to find the truth on their own You have a high degree of trust in humanity's capacity for rational thought, don't you? That trust is misplaced and will backfire if you ever have to rely on it

ryandrake 4y ago

> I'm personally very opposed to forcing them to trust, to ramming the truth down their throat. Instead what I would prefer is that these people are given the tools to find the truth on their own. But they think they've already done this. They used the Tools That The Ivory Tower Elites Hate like YouTube and Facebook, found the extreme crackpot content, and convinced themselves that with these tools they have finally found the truth that those nasty authority figures have been trying to hide from them!

ripe 4y ago

> Conspiracy-theory-isation exists because people resent being told what they are supposed to believe by an authority they do not trust. I keep hearing this theory, but it just begs the question: how are these people deciding which sources to trust? What makes them trust Fox News, Marjorie Taylor Greene, or Alex Jones rather than other "mainstream" news? Somehow, I don't think the problem is a lack of tools. Something deeper is going on.

mistermann 4y ago
> I keep hearing this theory, but it just begs the question: how are these people deciding which sources to trust? What makes them trust Fox News, Marjorie Taylor Greene, or Alex Jones rather than other "mainstream" news? Abstractly, the same way ~everyone does: heuristics, confirmation bias, post-hoc rationalization, etc. On a relative scale, some people's methodologies are better than others (often much better), but on an absolute scale they are almost all bad.
andy_ppp 4y ago
People always want explanations to things we simply don’t have good answers, maybe because we don’t have the information or because there is money to made selling macho pills online or just because a people don’t want to face reality. It is fundamentally a form of escapism that I think am we are all by default detectives in a thought game trying to find proof of diets that will make us live longer or find the true reason global warming is happening is sunspot activity.
anigbrowl 4y ago
If unpopular opinion X turned out to be reality, early adopters/investors would come out ahead of skeptics - think how ridiculous quotes from internet nay-sayers now appear. If you can make your opinion reality, by either persuading or bullying people into accepting it, you don't need to trust it - you can just choose it and act accordingly. Politics is just religion without the anthropomorphism. Societies and civilizations need to be rational all the way down, just as people are not creatures of pure logic.

mrguyorama 4y ago

These kind of people say that the "tools" you suggest we give them are actually just attempts by the Illuminati to keep them down. At a certain point, they just refused reality, and instead insist they know more than you.

anigbrowl 4y ago

> I'm personally very opposed to forcing them to trust, to ramming the truth down their throat. They may feel no such scruples about doing so to you, though. Reciprocity is a good heuristic for many social situations, but when it goes wrong, it can go really wrong.