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This discussion is quite amazing. Someone with a high-quality technical blog writes a post about sexism. Magically a huge stream of comments arrive: "the auth
by gordonguthrie 15y ago
This discussion is quite amazing. Someone with a high-quality technical blog writes a post about sexism.
Magically a huge stream of comments arrive:
"the author reached an entirely fallacious and baseless conclusion"
"without any evidence, concludes that the manager said this because she is a woman"
"Whether or not this incident was motivated by sexism, there's absolutely no indication, based on the facts presented, that it was."
"then she is overreacting. Not because she's a woman, mind you. Because she really is too touchy about this"
"she's raging over and reading so much into a statement that is, by normal standards, extremely neutral, leads me to believe that even if she has been directly accused of being too emotional in the past, then maybe there's something to the accusations"
"Playing the sexism card every time you run into a bad manager with a dysfunctional team seems like wasted effort to me."
"to look for gender based explanations just seems overly paranoid"
"It can only be used on women who give a crap about being viewed as emotional."
"I can claim that my business partners are space aliens who read my thoughts and are plotting to colonize the planet all day long, but as long as there's no shred of evidence of this, the fact that nobody appreciates the lengths I go to wear tinfoil hats and research anti-alien combat techniques is meaningless"
"it's related to "W" being a bit of a jerk than it is "W" being female"
"If you have a chip on your shoulder in re sexism, you will perceive every negative interaction through that lens"
"that, in effect, is simply a unilateral claim of immunity against the accusation of being too emotional: it gives one the license to be as emotional as one likes"
"It's obvious that she's frustrated from her previous dealings with certain people, and their alleged sexism (which, unfortunately, is not demonstrated in her recounting). Unfortunately, her response is to attack a hornet with a sledgehammer (with corresponding collateral damage) and then blame the result on sexism."
"this blog post brings to mind a different female stereotype: too much drama"
"that author's emotions are out of control in both cases - during the described incident and when she writes the post. She fails by refusing to recognize that"
"It seems overly emotional to me to write this article.
(Maybe it is perfectly sensible, but to me, it seems overly emotional)."
The actual article begins with the paragraph:
"How do you piss off a technical woman so she will leave your team? It's easy. Just go and lob a few complaints about her behavior that would never apply to a guy. The easiest one of these is to say "you're being too emotional"
This entire discussion is unbelievable - Rachel By The Bay ought to be a respected member of this community based on her blog - instead she is being attacked in a bizarre way.
- andrewflnr 15y agoIt's not that surprising. There's little or no clear evidence in the post that her negative experiences were more motivated by sexism than by more mundane personal issues. Her environment was definitely messed up, but can you point to compelling evidence that it was motivated by sexism? Nobody wants to believe there's sexism in their industry. It's not surprising to see skepticism in the absence of strong evidence, even if it's not right either. It's much the same standard that would be applied to any controversial issue.
- gordonguthrie 15y agoWith all due respect there is precisely no evidence in any of her voluminous writing that (and I quote): * she is overreacting * she really is too touchy * she's raging * playing the sexism card every time you run into a bad manager * overly paranoid * a bit of a jerk * [has] a chip on your shoulder in re sexism * [has] license to be as emotional as one likes * she's frustrated * too much drama * emotions are out of control > can you point to compelling evidence that it was motivated by sexism I haven't mentioned sexism - I have only mentioned the unbelievable response to her blog post. All her other blog posts are credible - why isn't this one?
- andrewflnr 15y agoThere's insufficient evidence both ways. Lack of evidence plus emotional topic equals lots of vehement criticism. I'm not saying it's right, just that you shouldn't be so shocked.
- roguecoder 15y agoShocked? No. Willing to quietly sit by while the "vehement criticism" (actually rampent, foul sexism that would never be directed at a male tech blogger) is condoned and defended and is accorded more respect than the original article from a respected blogger? Also no. The latter is happening in public in a documented form so there is more than enough evidence to "prove" it happened.
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