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They have one lever, and it isn't innovation.

HardlyCurious 4y ago
Sadly, there are probably businesses out there that would see this study as a argument for hiring business managers over operational business units.
- eurasiantiger 4y ago
  Owned and operated by business executives.
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pella 4y ago
Intel has had several CEOs with non-technology educational background. ( ~ MBA )
- Entinel 4y ago
  Intel is also reverting back to CEOs with technical backgrounds because having CEOs with non-technical backgrounds led to them getting overtaken by several competitors such as AMD who they had lapped several times over.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    And VW was almost completely engineering led, including Piech whom you could somehow consider at least the god father of Audi and VW if not a founder type, when the emissions scandal happened.
    - nalaz 4y ago
      Nothing wrong with what he did. It was a political thing.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        Courts all over the world, including VWs home country, disagree with you here.
      - _yb2s 4y ago
        I agree with this, I feel the regulations at the time they were cheating were unjust, as the technology didn't exist to meet them yet. Most of their competitors simply pulled diesels from the market, but the VW TDIs were still the most efficient cars on the market in terms of CO2, a more important environmental issue than the things they were cheating on (NOx). Ironically, my thoughts are that what they chose to do was the most responsible course of action environmentally and ethically, because the alternative outcome (people driving less efficient vehicles) was worse.
        hef19898 4y ago
        See, the technology did exist. All VW had to do was to use more AdBlue.
        _yb2s 4y ago
        It's not that simple... the cars VW retrofit and resold to the public under the lawsuit are not really driveable or usable at the level needed to sell to consumers as a new car. They use massive amount of adblue, causing the tanks to run empty and the components to fail frequently. They also have other performance issues. VW couldn't have realistically done this from the beginning and expected consumers to accept it. I'm actually a big fan of these retrofit cars, but only because they are now super cheap, I wouldn't consider the issues they have acceptable in a new car, at new car prices.
        hef19898 4y ago
        VW cars, sure. Because VW designed them with cheating in mind. All other European manufacturers using things like temperature windows (not cheating, but skirting the edge of the text of the regulation, VW was straight out breaking those regulations by illegally cheating. That the other manufacturers were found to be in violation of regulations due the way they interpreted temp windows very loosely is a different thing from outright cheating) don't have those problems. So, either VW included the plan of cheating in the engine design, or they were uncapable of engine design and were thus forced to cheat. Both scenarios seem to be unique to VW at the time, and other companies of VW group. Quite impressive how VW came out of it, still the biggest car maker and really pushing EVs. It could have easily turned out differently.
    - goodpoint 4y ago
      Are you trying to imply that engineers are less ethical than MBAs?
      - hef19898 4y ago
        No, I'm emplying that above a certain hierachical level ethics don't matter. And that your professional background influences, at most, the way you cheat and act unethical. Engineers, which software developers and CS grads are only in a loose sense, arw by no means better than MBAs, or worse.
  - hardolaf 4y ago
    Intel had one CEO without a technical background who came in after the previous guy, who started off as a process engineer, ran their fab division into the ground and caused them to lose their technological lead due to dumb decisions. The MBA guy turned the fab division around and then stepped down for a tech guy to take over for rebound on the technology side.
- mrits 4y ago
  I'm not sure the group that thinks an MBA is worthless for a CEO is as large as the group that thinks an MBA is worthless for anyone but a CEO.

Sadly, there are probably businesses out there that would see this study as a argument for hiring business managers over operational business units.

eurasiantiger 4y ago
Owned and operated by business executives.

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pella 4y ago

Intel has had several CEOs with non-technology educational background. ( ~ MBA )

Entinel 4y ago
Intel is also reverting back to CEOs with technical backgrounds because having CEOs with non-technical backgrounds led to them getting overtaken by several competitors such as AMD who they had lapped several times over.
- hef19898 4y ago
  And VW was almost completely engineering led, including Piech whom you could somehow consider at least the god father of Audi and VW if not a founder type, when the emissions scandal happened.
  - nalaz 4y ago
    Nothing wrong with what he did. It was a political thing.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      Courts all over the world, including VWs home country, disagree with you here.
    - _yb2s 4y ago
      I agree with this, I feel the regulations at the time they were cheating were unjust, as the technology didn't exist to meet them yet. Most of their competitors simply pulled diesels from the market, but the VW TDIs were still the most efficient cars on the market in terms of CO2, a more important environmental issue than the things they were cheating on (NOx). Ironically, my thoughts are that what they chose to do was the most responsible course of action environmentally and ethically, because the alternative outcome (people driving less efficient vehicles) was worse.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        See, the technology did exist. All VW had to do was to use more AdBlue.
        _yb2s 4y ago
        It's not that simple... the cars VW retrofit and resold to the public under the lawsuit are not really driveable or usable at the level needed to sell to consumers as a new car. They use massive amount of adblue, causing the tanks to run empty and the components to fail frequently. They also have other performance issues. VW couldn't have realistically done this from the beginning and expected consumers to accept it. I'm actually a big fan of these retrofit cars, but only because they are now super cheap, I wouldn't consider the issues they have acceptable in a new car, at new car prices.
        hef19898 4y ago
        VW cars, sure. Because VW designed them with cheating in mind. All other European manufacturers using things like temperature windows (not cheating, but skirting the edge of the text of the regulation, VW was straight out breaking those regulations by illegally cheating. That the other manufacturers were found to be in violation of regulations due the way they interpreted temp windows very loosely is a different thing from outright cheating) don't have those problems. So, either VW included the plan of cheating in the engine design, or they were uncapable of engine design and were thus forced to cheat. Both scenarios seem to be unique to VW at the time, and other companies of VW group. Quite impressive how VW came out of it, still the biggest car maker and really pushing EVs. It could have easily turned out differently.
  - goodpoint 4y ago
    Are you trying to imply that engineers are less ethical than MBAs?
    - hef19898 4y ago
      No, I'm emplying that above a certain hierachical level ethics don't matter. And that your professional background influences, at most, the way you cheat and act unethical. Engineers, which software developers and CS grads are only in a loose sense, arw by no means better than MBAs, or worse.
- hardolaf 4y ago
  Intel had one CEO without a technical background who came in after the previous guy, who started off as a process engineer, ran their fab division into the ground and caused them to lose their technological lead due to dumb decisions. The MBA guy turned the fab division around and then stepped down for a tech guy to take over for rebound on the technology side.
mrits 4y ago
I'm not sure the group that thinks an MBA is worthless for a CEO is as large as the group that thinks an MBA is worthless for anyone but a CEO.