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Linus Torvalds Has Changed His Mind About Gnome 3

64 points by tux1968 15y ago

THpubs 15y ago
Thanks for the share mate!
old-gregg 15y ago
Ignore the blogspam, here's the original Linus post: https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/WTLyn7dqYoR https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/WTLyn7dq...
- BGeek 15y ago
  You lunatic! That blog is trying to point it out and comment on it!!!! Many people got to know about this statement from that blog post..... How can we learn without people like that! You call it spam? You are a lunatic!
- michaelcampbell 15y ago
  ? The link above goes right to the google plus post also. (Did it originally not?)
  - old-gregg 15y ago
    No, the original link was to a shady fake "news" site with zero original content which basically contained copy&pasted Linus post peppered with a ton of ads. The green clowns below probably have something to do with it.
nknight 15y ago
That's not "changed his mind", that's "found ways to route around the braindamage with unofficial things the GNOME 3 'designers' won't accept".
- bergie 15y ago
  Ah, yes, that must be why GNOME hosts an extensions gallery for the shell: https://extensions.gnome.org/ https://extensions.gnome.org/ Also, nice calling the work of others "brain damage" when they really try to improve the state of desktop usability. Granted, not every of the concepts is brilliant, but if you don't try, we'll be stuck in Windows 95 concepts forever
  - dextorious 15y ago
    """Ah, yes, that must be why GNOME hosts an extensions gallery for the shell""" Isn't it obvious that he means that they won't accept them as built-in and/or the defaults, not that they don't accept them as extensions. Linus also alludes to the exact same thing when he suggests they make them "easy to find and part of the standard install", and adds: Or would that be too close to "Ok, we admit we were wong" and thus not politically acceptable? """Also, nice calling the work of others "brain damage" when they really try to improve the state of desktop usability.""" The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    - bergie 15y ago
      Isn't it obvious that he means that they won't accept them as built-in and/or the defaults, not that they don't accept them as extensions. Shipping sane defaults is not a bad way to go, given that the extensions are easily findable and installable by power users that want them. I still run GNOME 3.0, so the extension installer doesn't work for me, so I can't confirm. But I think with GNOME 3.2 onwards the extensions gallery stuff should be installable pretty much as easily as extensions for your browser are. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I can assure you, the road to hell is not paved at all: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/153040664/in/set-72157594144835484 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/153040664/in/set-7215759... (as context, there is a valley called 'Hell' in South Africa) Oh, and it should be mentioned that nothing stops Linux distributions from shipping the extensions they feel necessary. Look at what the Mint guys did for their GNOME 3 setup: http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_lisa_whatsnew.php http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_lisa_whatsnew.php
  - 15y ago
hendrix 15y ago
Guess I'm just not ready to leave the task bar behind.
- silon3 15y ago
  I'm waiting for alt+tab to be changed to window-based (without application grouping).
  - bmunro 15y ago
    Install gnome-shell-extension-alternate-tab.
CoffeeDregs 15y ago
I'm the odd man out because I use Gnome 3 daily (on Debian unstable) and I haven't noticed any decrease in productivity... There are certainly some areas to improve, but it's nice, works well and it looks pretty. That said, I do look forward to the extensions...
hippich 15y ago
I just tried gnome-shell and so far I liked it. With xorg-edgers ppa and bleeding nouveau drivers, it is smooth and fast on my aging laptop. Granted, I spend most of my time in terminal and use GUI to launch Chrome, Thunderbird and GIMP (mostly via Alt-F1 and typing name of app), but still, I like it so far. On a new laptop I plan to try again KDE (after 1 year working in gnome) just to see how far it went, but I strongly advise anyone on Ubuntu 11.10 at least try gnome-shell - it is so easy, so you will not waste much time if you not like it.
- shellehs 15y ago
  I prefer super key the Alt+F*, less labor, and faster and easy to notice the input area than KDE Alt+F2 like. I have used to move mouse on screen up-left corner to see the windows thumbnails view. then the windows became hard to distinquish. On KDE, they have diffrent size or shape, and icons over the thumbnails.GNOME has the same size and shape, and the window's name is too small to read. the sidebar, the dock whatever, useless to me.
beatle 15y ago
nothing beats Window Maker.
w1ntermute 15y ago
I don't know why people even bother with environments like KDE or GNOME. Go for something like Xfce or LXDE and you'll have a DE that gets the job done and won't suddenly decide one day to change everything. Any sort of productivity gained from the new "desktop paradigms" is lost to the bikeshedding that inevitably accompanies these changes.
StringyBob 15y ago
That page had a 100% crash rate for me when scrolling down in safari iPhone ios5 - impressive!
- bergie 15y ago
  I wonder if Safari on iOS could recognize Google+ URLs just like it does with YouTube, and open them in the native app.
  - ajanuary 15y ago
    The Google+ app could register it's own url scheme, and then the Google+ website can UA-sniff for iOS and redirect to the special url scheme.

64 points by tux1968 15y ago

Thanks for the share mate!

Ignore the blogspam, here's the original Linus post: https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/WTLyn7dqYoR https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/WTLyn7dq...

BGeek 15y ago
You lunatic! That blog is trying to point it out and comment on it!!!! Many people got to know about this statement from that blog post..... How can we learn without people like that! You call it spam? You are a lunatic!
michaelcampbell 15y ago
? The link above goes right to the google plus post also. (Did it originally not?)
- old-gregg 15y ago
  No, the original link was to a shady fake "news" site with zero original content which basically contained copy&pasted Linus post peppered with a ton of ads. The green clowns below probably have something to do with it.

nknight 15y ago

That's not "changed his mind", that's "found ways to route around the braindamage with unofficial things the GNOME 3 'designers' won't accept".

bergie 15y ago
Ah, yes, that must be why GNOME hosts an extensions gallery for the shell: https://extensions.gnome.org/ https://extensions.gnome.org/ Also, nice calling the work of others "brain damage" when they really try to improve the state of desktop usability. Granted, not every of the concepts is brilliant, but if you don't try, we'll be stuck in Windows 95 concepts forever
- dextorious 15y ago
  """Ah, yes, that must be why GNOME hosts an extensions gallery for the shell""" Isn't it obvious that he means that they won't accept them as built-in and/or the defaults, not that they don't accept them as extensions. Linus also alludes to the exact same thing when he suggests they make them "easy to find and part of the standard install", and adds: Or would that be too close to "Ok, we admit we were wong" and thus not politically acceptable? """Also, nice calling the work of others "brain damage" when they really try to improve the state of desktop usability.""" The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
  - bergie 15y ago
    Isn't it obvious that he means that they won't accept them as built-in and/or the defaults, not that they don't accept them as extensions. Shipping sane defaults is not a bad way to go, given that the extensions are easily findable and installable by power users that want them. I still run GNOME 3.0, so the extension installer doesn't work for me, so I can't confirm. But I think with GNOME 3.2 onwards the extensions gallery stuff should be installable pretty much as easily as extensions for your browser are. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I can assure you, the road to hell is not paved at all: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/153040664/in/set-72157594144835484 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/153040664/in/set-7215759... (as context, there is a valley called 'Hell' in South Africa) Oh, and it should be mentioned that nothing stops Linux distributions from shipping the extensions they feel necessary. Look at what the Mint guys did for their GNOME 3 setup: http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_lisa_whatsnew.php http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_lisa_whatsnew.php
- 15y ago

hendrix 15y ago

Guess I'm just not ready to leave the task bar behind.

silon3 15y ago
I'm waiting for alt+tab to be changed to window-based (without application grouping).
- bmunro 15y ago
  Install gnome-shell-extension-alternate-tab.

CoffeeDregs 15y ago

I'm the odd man out because I use Gnome 3 daily (on Debian unstable) and I haven't noticed any decrease in productivity... There are certainly some areas to improve, but it's nice, works well and it looks pretty. That said, I do look forward to the extensions...

hippich 15y ago

I just tried gnome-shell and so far I liked it. With xorg-edgers ppa and bleeding nouveau drivers, it is smooth and fast on my aging laptop. Granted, I spend most of my time in terminal and use GUI to launch Chrome, Thunderbird and GIMP (mostly via Alt-F1 and typing name of app), but still, I like it so far. On a new laptop I plan to try again KDE (after 1 year working in gnome) just to see how far it went, but I strongly advise anyone on Ubuntu 11.10 at least try gnome-shell - it is so easy, so you will not waste much time if you not like it.

shellehs 15y ago
I prefer super key the Alt+F*, less labor, and faster and easy to notice the input area than KDE Alt+F2 like. I have used to move mouse on screen up-left corner to see the windows thumbnails view. then the windows became hard to distinquish. On KDE, they have diffrent size or shape, and icons over the thumbnails.GNOME has the same size and shape, and the window's name is too small to read. the sidebar, the dock whatever, useless to me.

beatle 15y ago

nothing beats Window Maker.

w1ntermute 15y ago

I don't know why people even bother with environments like KDE or GNOME. Go for something like Xfce or LXDE and you'll have a DE that gets the job done and won't suddenly decide one day to change everything. Any sort of productivity gained from the new "desktop paradigms" is lost to the bikeshedding that inevitably accompanies these changes.

StringyBob 15y ago

That page had a 100% crash rate for me when scrolling down in safari iPhone ios5 - impressive!

bergie 15y ago
I wonder if Safari on iOS could recognize Google+ URLs just like it does with YouTube, and open them in the native app.
- ajanuary 15y ago
  The Google+ app could register it's own url scheme, and then the Google+ website can UA-sniff for iOS and redirect to the special url scheme.