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Because house is cool and has integrated comfort. No neighbors, no useless administration. Building tall buildings is not a rocket science. Look at Burj Khalif

by lnsru 4y ago

Because house is cool and has integrated comfort. No neighbors, no useless administration. Building tall buildings is not a rocket science. Look at Burj Khalifa‘s construction: clever designed crane, lots of rebar and extremely powerful concrete pumps. And it’s really fast. One year to build enough space for thousands of people.

ksec 4y ago
>And it’s really fast. One year to build enough space for thousands of people. Building Tall building isn't Rocket Science, but building them fast, high quality ( comparatively speaking ) and cheap has not been done yet. And one year to build space enough for thousands of people is not my definition of fast. At least building "On Site".
- smusamashah 4y ago
  From what I have found watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eIxUuuJX7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eIxUuuJX7Y and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXZ_0wOY96E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXZ_0wOY96E is that very tall buildings are cool only for the very rich but they are not very liveable. Burj Khalifa does not have a severage system. Trucks are used to take the human waste away every single day from burj khalifa.
- pasabagi 4y ago
  Mmmm, there are a few examples of prefab high-rises that have gone up in weeks or months. I guess high-quality is something of a shifting bar, but if you prefab all the pieces, build them at volume, and have enough demand to justify that volume, it's been done before. That's how all the plattenbau (ugly commie concrete towerblocks went up in eastern europe) got done. I figure the problem is basically politics. Liberal democracies typically do planning by asking 'stakeholders' (e.g. business owners, home owners, etc) what they think about proposals. Since you're asking the stakeholders in an asset class whether or not you should build more of their asset, usually nearby, the answer is usually a lawsuit.
  - ksec 4y ago
    Do you have any links on that? Most of the reference I found, Pre-Fabs only works for about 10-15 Floor buildings.
    - pasabagi 4y ago
      It's kind of a genre: watch like, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhLk7L1B_fE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhLk7L1B_fE, and you can see a bunch of others in suggested links. From what I gather, a industrial-scale air-conditioning unit company basically broke the space open, since they were essentially doing large scale prefab construction already. Just think about it from first principles. You can build large structures out of prefabricated parts, and if you design the parts sufficiently well, it's possible to fit them together fast. The problems are stuff like weight (transport costs start to dominate), volume (if there's not enough demand for skyscrapers, you don't want to be sitting on a skyscraper factory), etc. In East China, they have a lot of structural advantages: a huge, hugely dense population, a government that loves big construction projects, a massive housing market, a great deal of experience in doing civic infrastructure fast, etc.
ethanbond 4y ago
There must’ve been years and years of design work behind the Burj Khalifa, no?
extra88 4y ago
Should have taken more than one year so they wouldn't have to haul away sewage by truck. https://inhabitat.com/the-incredible-story-of-how-the-burj-khalifas-poop-is-trucked-out-of-town/ https://inhabitat.com/the-incredible-story-of-how-the-burj-k...

by lnsru 4y ago

ksec 4y ago

>And it’s really fast. One year to build enough space for thousands of people. Building Tall building isn't Rocket Science, but building them fast, high quality ( comparatively speaking ) and cheap has not been done yet. And one year to build space enough for thousands of people is not my definition of fast. At least building "On Site".

smusamashah 4y ago
From what I have found watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eIxUuuJX7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eIxUuuJX7Y and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXZ_0wOY96E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXZ_0wOY96E is that very tall buildings are cool only for the very rich but they are not very liveable. Burj Khalifa does not have a severage system. Trucks are used to take the human waste away every single day from burj khalifa.
pasabagi 4y ago
Mmmm, there are a few examples of prefab high-rises that have gone up in weeks or months. I guess high-quality is something of a shifting bar, but if you prefab all the pieces, build them at volume, and have enough demand to justify that volume, it's been done before. That's how all the plattenbau (ugly commie concrete towerblocks went up in eastern europe) got done. I figure the problem is basically politics. Liberal democracies typically do planning by asking 'stakeholders' (e.g. business owners, home owners, etc) what they think about proposals. Since you're asking the stakeholders in an asset class whether or not you should build more of their asset, usually nearby, the answer is usually a lawsuit.
- ksec 4y ago
  Do you have any links on that? Most of the reference I found, Pre-Fabs only works for about 10-15 Floor buildings.
  - pasabagi 4y ago
    It's kind of a genre: watch like, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhLk7L1B_fE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhLk7L1B_fE, and you can see a bunch of others in suggested links. From what I gather, a industrial-scale air-conditioning unit company basically broke the space open, since they were essentially doing large scale prefab construction already. Just think about it from first principles. You can build large structures out of prefabricated parts, and if you design the parts sufficiently well, it's possible to fit them together fast. The problems are stuff like weight (transport costs start to dominate), volume (if there's not enough demand for skyscrapers, you don't want to be sitting on a skyscraper factory), etc. In East China, they have a lot of structural advantages: a huge, hugely dense population, a government that loves big construction projects, a massive housing market, a great deal of experience in doing civic infrastructure fast, etc.

ethanbond 4y ago

There must’ve been years and years of design work behind the Burj Khalifa, no?

extra88 4y ago

Should have taken more than one year so they wouldn't have to haul away sewage by truck. https://inhabitat.com/the-incredible-story-of-how-the-burj-khalifas-poop-is-trucked-out-of-town/ https://inhabitat.com/the-incredible-story-of-how-the-burj-k...