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Why is Amazon to blame for this? Is it not better, assuming a person is set on killing oneself, to give them a way out that doesn't have a relatively high chan

by caslon 4y ago

Why is Amazon to blame for this? Is it not better, assuming a person is set on killing oneself, to give them a way out that doesn't have a relatively high chance of failing and resulting in permanent disability (firearms, overdoses, most ways of depriving oneself of oxygen)? Is it not better to have a relatively less painful method rather than one that, if it goes wrong, you slowly and painfully suffocate to death, should you be so lucky as to die before someone can "save" you and leave you with brain damage (hanging)? I agree that suicide is inadvisable, but I don't think that this lawyer or families should be able to rent-seek because Amazon allowed people who were set on dying to die with some degree of dignity, by no intention of Amazon's. If you look at this lawyer's timeline, you see a quote-tweet of concurrence to a sentiment literally saying, "fuck sanctioned suicide. and also fuck amazon. they’re killing our youth together." It's not Amazon and it's not some abstract suicide that's killing people. It's people that are killing people. Themselves. And they're doing it because life is terrible and miserable and not worth living, not because they just on a whim saw that some online retailer was selling dangerous salt. Society should solve the underlying problems that end up making life so absolutely and undeniably terrible that killing yourself looks like the more rational option, instead of lawyers using tragedy to make money off of moral outrage in the name of trying to treat the symptom. It's pathetic, disgusting and wrong.

oulipo 4y ago
Well sure, but that's precisely what they are doing. Solving the underlying problem is precisely recognizing that in most cases, the issue that is bothering the person trying to commit suicide can be solved by other means, and so one of the first thing to do is to prevent them from doing a suicide attempt
- caslon 4y ago
  That's absolutely not what they're doing. If you want to fix society, stop the societal factors that create the urge. Don't try in vain to take autonomy away and force people to barbaric, unreliable, dehumanizing solutions after the urge has already overtaken them. That's cruel, ill-advised, and sick. Especially when, like in Goldberg's case, you're doing it for money. Forcing people to a rope or a gun just serves to add "disabled" to their list of problems (or amplify their existing problems, if "lack of autonomy" is part of their reason), and then instead of them having their previous problems, they now have their previous problems plus one. At least with suicide your problems go away, because you stop existing.

by caslon 4y ago

oulipo 4y ago

Well sure, but that's precisely what they are doing. Solving the underlying problem is precisely recognizing that in most cases, the issue that is bothering the person trying to commit suicide can be solved by other means, and so one of the first thing to do is to prevent them from doing a suicide attempt

caslon 4y ago
That's absolutely not what they're doing. If you want to fix society, stop the societal factors that create the urge. Don't try in vain to take autonomy away and force people to barbaric, unreliable, dehumanizing solutions after the urge has already overtaken them. That's cruel, ill-advised, and sick. Especially when, like in Goldberg's case, you're doing it for money. Forcing people to a rope or a gun just serves to add "disabled" to their list of problems (or amplify their existing problems, if "lack of autonomy" is part of their reason), and then instead of them having their previous problems, they now have their previous problems plus one. At least with suicide your problems go away, because you stop existing.