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I find the active and continued harm those people have experienced by being felons to be of far greater value to resolve than winning another election. And if

I find the active and continued harm those people have experienced by being felons to be of far greater value to resolve than winning another election. And if Biden and friends really wanted to serve their people, they would continually do things their populous wanted and then when election season comes, they would say “look at what we have been doing”, not “here is a crumb, pleb.” It’s good that it’s being done, but, do more.

froh 4y ago
this is blaming the injust jail time on the one releasing them instead of blaming it on the ones creating the injust laws and convictions.
- t-writescode 4y ago
  In this case, Biden actually was a major component of the reason they’re in jail: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/j...
  - froh 4y ago
    interesting. also from that article, he openly acknowledged that he was wrong: > Biden has backtracked since the ’80s and ’90s. Before he left the Senate to become vice president, he pushed to pull back tougher prison sentences for crack cocaine — an effort that helped lead to a law that President Barack Obama signed in 2010. And he’s recently acknowledged his mistakes. > “I haven’t always been right,” Biden said earlier this year, speaking to criminal justice issues. “I know we haven’t always gotten things right, but I’ve always tried.” (Asked about Biden’s record, his spokesperson pointed to this speech, but did not respond to further questions.) thanks for the pointer.
BossingAround 4y ago
I suspect you can't just "do things," there are lawyers that determine what you can do, and there are other factors (like "do you need literally everyone's vote to pass a bill through the congress" and "will it crash and fail in the senate anyways") that make these things a drag. Same happened with the loan forgiveness, which is now being challenged in multiple courts. However, Biden doesn't have the power to push these issues through the proper process. Do you want a state where "do more" means "more executive orders?"
JAlexoid 4y ago
Em... People tend to forget about good actions. I'm sorry, but most people have short memories and short sight.
- t-writescode 4y ago
  How much of that do you think could be solved with better marketing?
DonHopkins 4y ago
They are continually trying to do things that serve both their own and the Republican party's people, but the Republican parties continually fights tooth and nail against every single thing they do in order to avoid giving them a "win" even on things the Republican base overwhelmingly supports. It's good that it's being done, but Biden's doing it, and the Republicans are opposing it every step of the way, even policies that benefit their own people, in every way they can, even and especially by lying and cheating.
- cudgy 4y ago
  And the Democrats do the same thing when Republicans are in control.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    But the important difference is that the Democrats are actually trying to prevent the Republicans from doing terribly unpopular stupid things that ruin people's lives and damage the economy and discriminate against minorities, like repealing Obamacare even though it is extremely popular and saves lives and money, or building a wall that is totally ineffective and extremely expensive just because the terrible idea appeals to racists. Oh hey, by the way, about that: didn't Trump say he was going to repeal Obamacare? How did that promise go? And what about building the wall like he promised he would do so many times, but the Democrats opposed every step of the way? How did that promise go? I'm beginning to get the idea he didn't really believe in the promises he made then broke. And how about that health care plan he kept promising to reveal next week for so many years, but never did? >Biden still deserves the criticism that he does not believe in marijuana reform and may not follow through any further. Trump still deserves the criticism that he does not believe in repealing Obamacare or building a wall, because he did not follow through any further, and he failed miserably. He didn't even lock Hillary up like he promised, but it looks like he's going to get locked up himself for espionage. While Biden actually followed through with his promises, and he succeeded, unlike Trump. And Biden accomplished all that without even violating the espionage act or getting impeached twice like Trump did. So do you also believe the lie that the election was stolen from Trump and he should be immediately reinstated as president so he can pardon everyone who stormed the Capitol and attacked police and spread feces in the halls of Congress and strutted around carrying Confederate flags, and that the FBI planted classified documents at Mar-a-Lago even though he refuses to state that on the record in court, but that Trump also declassified those very same classified documents that the FBI planted with his mind? Now are you going to claim "the other side does that too" again? Trump does deserve full credit for convincing Republicans to kill themselves off faster than Democrats. Now THAT is leadership, convincing your followers to pointlessly and painfully die tragic preventable deaths by their own foolish behavior, by 78% higher rates! No Democrat ever inspired such loyal self destructive mass suicidal behavior in their base. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-death-rates-higher-republicans-democrats-why-rcna50883 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-death-rates... >Covid death rates are higher among Republicans than Democrats, mounting evidence shows >Lower vaccination rates among Republicans could explain the partisan gap, but some researchers say mask use and social distancing were bigger factors. >[...] Average excess death rates in Florida and Ohio were 76% higher among Republicans than Democrats between March 2020 and December 2021, according to a working paper released last month by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Excess deaths refers to deaths above what would be anticipated based on historical trends. >[...] Indeed, his paper found that the partisan gap in the deaths widened between April and December 2021, after all adults became eligible for Covid vaccines. Excess death rates in Florida and Ohio were 153% higher among Republicans than Democrats during that time, the paper showed.

froh 4y ago

this is blaming the injust jail time on the one releasing them instead of blaming it on the ones creating the injust laws and convictions.

t-writescode 4y ago
In this case, Biden actually was a major component of the reason they’re in jail: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/j...
- froh 4y ago
  interesting. also from that article, he openly acknowledged that he was wrong: > Biden has backtracked since the ’80s and ’90s. Before he left the Senate to become vice president, he pushed to pull back tougher prison sentences for crack cocaine — an effort that helped lead to a law that President Barack Obama signed in 2010. And he’s recently acknowledged his mistakes. > “I haven’t always been right,” Biden said earlier this year, speaking to criminal justice issues. “I know we haven’t always gotten things right, but I’ve always tried.” (Asked about Biden’s record, his spokesperson pointed to this speech, but did not respond to further questions.) thanks for the pointer.

BossingAround 4y ago

I suspect you can't just "do things," there are lawyers that determine what you can do, and there are other factors (like "do you need literally everyone's vote to pass a bill through the congress" and "will it crash and fail in the senate anyways") that make these things a drag. Same happened with the loan forgiveness, which is now being challenged in multiple courts. However, Biden doesn't have the power to push these issues through the proper process. Do you want a state where "do more" means "more executive orders?"

JAlexoid 4y ago

Em... People tend to forget about good actions. I'm sorry, but most people have short memories and short sight.

t-writescode 4y ago
How much of that do you think could be solved with better marketing?

DonHopkins 4y ago

They are continually trying to do things that serve both their own and the Republican party's people, but the Republican parties continually fights tooth and nail against every single thing they do in order to avoid giving them a "win" even on things the Republican base overwhelmingly supports. It's good that it's being done, but Biden's doing it, and the Republicans are opposing it every step of the way, even policies that benefit their own people, in every way they can, even and especially by lying and cheating.

cudgy 4y ago
And the Democrats do the same thing when Republicans are in control.
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  But the important difference is that the Democrats are actually trying to prevent the Republicans from doing terribly unpopular stupid things that ruin people's lives and damage the economy and discriminate against minorities, like repealing Obamacare even though it is extremely popular and saves lives and money, or building a wall that is totally ineffective and extremely expensive just because the terrible idea appeals to racists. Oh hey, by the way, about that: didn't Trump say he was going to repeal Obamacare? How did that promise go? And what about building the wall like he promised he would do so many times, but the Democrats opposed every step of the way? How did that promise go? I'm beginning to get the idea he didn't really believe in the promises he made then broke. And how about that health care plan he kept promising to reveal next week for so many years, but never did? >Biden still deserves the criticism that he does not believe in marijuana reform and may not follow through any further. Trump still deserves the criticism that he does not believe in repealing Obamacare or building a wall, because he did not follow through any further, and he failed miserably. He didn't even lock Hillary up like he promised, but it looks like he's going to get locked up himself for espionage. While Biden actually followed through with his promises, and he succeeded, unlike Trump. And Biden accomplished all that without even violating the espionage act or getting impeached twice like Trump did. So do you also believe the lie that the election was stolen from Trump and he should be immediately reinstated as president so he can pardon everyone who stormed the Capitol and attacked police and spread feces in the halls of Congress and strutted around carrying Confederate flags, and that the FBI planted classified documents at Mar-a-Lago even though he refuses to state that on the record in court, but that Trump also declassified those very same classified documents that the FBI planted with his mind? Now are you going to claim "the other side does that too" again? Trump does deserve full credit for convincing Republicans to kill themselves off faster than Democrats. Now THAT is leadership, convincing your followers to pointlessly and painfully die tragic preventable deaths by their own foolish behavior, by 78% higher rates! No Democrat ever inspired such loyal self destructive mass suicidal behavior in their base. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-death-rates-higher-republicans-democrats-why-rcna50883 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-death-rates... >Covid death rates are higher among Republicans than Democrats, mounting evidence shows >Lower vaccination rates among Republicans could explain the partisan gap, but some researchers say mask use and social distancing were bigger factors. >[...] Average excess death rates in Florida and Ohio were 76% higher among Republicans than Democrats between March 2020 and December 2021, according to a working paper released last month by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Excess deaths refers to deaths above what would be anticipated based on historical trends. >[...] Indeed, his paper found that the partisan gap in the deaths widened between April and December 2021, after all adults became eligible for Covid vaccines. Excess death rates in Florida and Ohio were 153% higher among Republicans than Democrats during that time, the paper showed.