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Coal is being phased out. There is no point in talking about coal.
by ncmncm 4y ago
Coal is being phased out. There is no point in talking about coal.
- arcticbull 4y agoGood news, the data in [1] shows its safety numbers have it sandwiched between wind and solar, and it produces significantly less greenhouse gas emissions than either (although all three are roughly zero).
- labster 4y agoIs it? Has anyone told China, India, and Australia that yet?
- merely-unlikely 4y agoOr the UK. UK Extends Life of Third Coal Plant to Secure Winter Electricity https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-13/uniper-extends-life-of-uk-coal-unit-to-secure-winter-electricity https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-13/uniper-ex...
- ncmncm 4y agoWars trigger emergency measures. It would be extremely foolish to project this as a trend.
- ncmncm 4y agoWho is building new coal plants? Who does not have plans to close coal plants? Who is exploring for new coal reserves?
- lern_too_spel 4y agoChina is building new coal plants. https://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/press/7488/plans-for-new-coal-plants-in-china-rebound-with-8-63-gw-approved-in-the-first-quarter-of-2022/ https://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/press/7488/plans-for-new...
- ncmncm 4y agoChina announces plenty, breaks ground for less. Announcements are cheap. Likely, they will not end up fueling any they do build, because it costs too much. China's command economy creates perverse incentives that do not translate to the outer world. And, announced plans often do not reflect reality. They have also announced >200 new nukes, and last I checked had broken ground on three. I doubt those will end up operating, even if finished, because of cost. But they might be, because [see above].
- arcticbull 4y agoChina has tripled their nuclear power generation capacity from 2014 to 2019 and doubled its share of the generation mix. I can't think of any reason they'd stop. They're planning on building 30 reactors in OBOR countries by 2030 [2] and 150 domestic ones by 2035. > China is one of the world's largest producers of nuclear power. The country ranks third in the world both in total nuclear power capacity installed and electricity generated, accounting for around one tenth of global nuclear power generated. They're going to be a global nuclear powerhouse. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_China [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-nuclearpower/china-could-build-30-belt-and-road-nuclear-reactors-by-2030-official-idUSKCN1TL0HZ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-nuclearpower/china-...
- ncmncm 4y agoAnd then will mothball them all in a few years when they become unable to produce at a competitive cost. They will produce a lot of kWh and displace a lot of CO2 in the meantime. But nowhere near what the same money spent on solar and wind would have.
- strken 4y agoMost Australian coal plants are scheduled to be closed before 2050, and the timeline keeps shifting closer and closer, because they're becoming economically unsustainable[0]. This is projected to cause problems to the energy market's ability to provide reliable baseload power from now until the 2030s, but crucially, it's not government mandated. Coal plants are increasingly expensive to run, because renewables are eating their profits during the day and they're barely recouping that at night. [0] https://www.leadingedgeenergy.com.au/blog/timeline-for-coal-exit/ https://www.leadingedgeenergy.com.au/blog/timeline-for-coal-...
- kortex 4y agoGermany's energiewende has been faltering even before the energy crisis. But what do they have a ton of? I can guarantee their coal consumption will increase before it even thinks about dropping again.
- ncmncm 4y agoEurope is in a war-driven crisis. Conclusions from activities of the moment would be foolish, at best, where not actually disingenuous and duplicitous.
- pydry 4y agoFaltering how? Everybody's coal consumption in Europe will go up this year. One of the few viable quick replacements for gas is power plants that were about to be turned off.