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No federal law is changing. This is a one time get out of jail free card. People arrested for the same crimes after he pardons current people in prison don't ge

by cronix 4y ago

No federal law is changing. This is a one time get out of jail free card. People arrested for the same crimes after he pardons current people in prison don't get the benefit.

kaibee 4y ago
The scheduling of marijuana is changing.
- realce 4y ago
  It's being looked at, but that's not at this point guaranteed
petesergeant 4y ago
No, and that’s because he doesn’t have the power to unilaterally do that, but he is trying to get it rescheduled
- bandyaboot 4y ago
  He doesn’t technically have the unilateral power to prevent future people from being charged federally with simple possession, but in reality, he kind of does (while he’s president).
  - MarkMarine 4y ago
    Sends a pretty clear message to any federal prosecutor that is deciding if they want to charge this. Obviously, the prosecutor can spend the time and effort on this if they want, but it’s time that will probably be better served doing something else if they don’t want to see their work wiped away by the stroke of a pen in the future.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > he is trying to get it rescheduled Do you have a link about this? Because he's shown hostility towards marijuana legalization, promised to veto it if it was sent to him, and in the past supported draconian drug laws.
  - danaris 4y ago
    https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1578097878094024712 https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1578097878094024712 Point 3.
    - andrew_ 4y ago
      Tweets do not official policy make. If you need examples, you need but examine his tweets all through 2019 and 2020 - they're loaded with promises and plans. This is certainly not exclusive to POTUS. Show me a policy document along with a bill from that office and I'll consider it more than an election year symbolic gesture.
      - petesergeant 4y ago
        This feels like a too mean-spirited take. According to this[0] he may not need a bill, and in fact may have taken the first step 0: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2015/02/13/how-to-reschedule-marijuana-and-why-its-unlikely-anytime-soon/amp/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2015/02/13/how-to-resc...
      - danaris 4y ago
        I think there's a huge difference between tweets with "promises and plans" (especially from before he was actually elected), and tweets saying "I have done this thing. I am doing this other thing." It's reasonable to be cautious about a politician making a promise in anything but the most legally-binding possible way. It's not reasonable to straight-out call that politician a bald-faced liar if he hasn't demonstrated a propensity for such lies (unlike some I could easily name).
      - haswell 4y ago
        Policy or not, intent was clearly declared. Not vague statements, but specific actions including a direct callout to the secretary of HHS to initiate the rescheduling review. Obviously we can only wait to see what comes next, but I'm not sure what more you'd want? The review process has to occur, so there's no additional "policy" to be had at the moment. Obviously there's a possibility that rescheduling doesn't happen as a result of that review, but that hardly seems likely given the current political and social climate around marijuana. Seemed like a pretty straight-forward way to communicate "and this is step 2, which is a work in progress".
bandyaboot 4y ago
He can and will suggest to the DOJ that they don’t charge anyone for simple possession of marijuana, and they won’t. Edit: of course that’s temporary.
BurningFrog 4y ago
That makes it sustainable. Now the president can pardon people for this before every election!
- andrew_ 4y ago
  It's a solid political play, and I don't recall seeing that done before (I've only been voting since '97). We'll likely see this kind of thing more often now.
kyrra 4y ago
Technically it's not a get out of jail free card, as I understand it, no one is actually held in jail for this right now. Though it does remove it from their records.
- trustfundbaby 4y ago
  >no one is actually held in jail for this right now 6000+ people were.

by cronix 4y ago

No federal law is changing. This is a one time get out of jail free card. People arrested for the same crimes after he pardons current people in prison don't get the benefit.

kaibee 4y ago

The scheduling of marijuana is changing.

realce 4y ago
It's being looked at, but that's not at this point guaranteed

petesergeant 4y ago

No, and that’s because he doesn’t have the power to unilaterally do that, but he is trying to get it rescheduled

bandyaboot 4y ago
He doesn’t technically have the unilateral power to prevent future people from being charged federally with simple possession, but in reality, he kind of does (while he’s president).
- MarkMarine 4y ago
  Sends a pretty clear message to any federal prosecutor that is deciding if they want to charge this. Obviously, the prosecutor can spend the time and effort on this if they want, but it’s time that will probably be better served doing something else if they don’t want to see their work wiped away by the stroke of a pen in the future.
pessimizer 4y ago
> he is trying to get it rescheduled Do you have a link about this? Because he's shown hostility towards marijuana legalization, promised to veto it if it was sent to him, and in the past supported draconian drug laws.
- danaris 4y ago
  https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1578097878094024712 https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1578097878094024712 Point 3.
  - andrew_ 4y ago
    Tweets do not official policy make. If you need examples, you need but examine his tweets all through 2019 and 2020 - they're loaded with promises and plans. This is certainly not exclusive to POTUS. Show me a policy document along with a bill from that office and I'll consider it more than an election year symbolic gesture.
    - petesergeant 4y ago
      This feels like a too mean-spirited take. According to this[0] he may not need a bill, and in fact may have taken the first step 0: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2015/02/13/how-to-reschedule-marijuana-and-why-its-unlikely-anytime-soon/amp/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2015/02/13/how-to-resc...
    - danaris 4y ago
      I think there's a huge difference between tweets with "promises and plans" (especially from before he was actually elected), and tweets saying "I have done this thing. I am doing this other thing." It's reasonable to be cautious about a politician making a promise in anything but the most legally-binding possible way. It's not reasonable to straight-out call that politician a bald-faced liar if he hasn't demonstrated a propensity for such lies (unlike some I could easily name).
    - haswell 4y ago
      Policy or not, intent was clearly declared. Not vague statements, but specific actions including a direct callout to the secretary of HHS to initiate the rescheduling review. Obviously we can only wait to see what comes next, but I'm not sure what more you'd want? The review process has to occur, so there's no additional "policy" to be had at the moment. Obviously there's a possibility that rescheduling doesn't happen as a result of that review, but that hardly seems likely given the current political and social climate around marijuana. Seemed like a pretty straight-forward way to communicate "and this is step 2, which is a work in progress".

bandyaboot 4y ago

He can and will suggest to the DOJ that they don’t charge anyone for simple possession of marijuana, and they won’t. Edit: of course that’s temporary.

BurningFrog 4y ago

That makes it sustainable. Now the president can pardon people for this before every election!

andrew_ 4y ago
It's a solid political play, and I don't recall seeing that done before (I've only been voting since '97). We'll likely see this kind of thing more often now.

kyrra 4y ago

Technically it's not a get out of jail free card, as I understand it, no one is actually held in jail for this right now. Though it does remove it from their records.

trustfundbaby 4y ago
>no one is actually held in jail for this right now 6000+ people were.