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If it was still the year N-10 then this would be a great X more or less sums up my entire desktop linux experience.

OJFord 4y ago
Ever use a 'window manager', particularly tiling, rather than a full 'desktop' or 'display manager'? I've had the opposite experience, i3 and now sway have made macOS & Windows clunky and unusable nightmares to me - even talking strictly just about interface/windowing/interaction.
- cpsns 4y ago
  I have and I’ve never been able to understand tiling WMs. After using nontiling ( I don’t know the term) window managers since Windows 95 my mind is just trained for that sort of window management, anything else feels wrong and frustrating. It’s not for a lack of trying either, I really have tried to like tiling wms.
- tetraca 4y ago
  I've used tiling window managers before, but I don't really find them to be that big of a productivity boost. I have two monitors and I prefer to have all my windows maximized. The only splitting that I need is in my text editor. The one thing I do like is the command line - I find that to be a much better experience than power shell or cmd. But that is it. If I want to do anything creative that isn't text based it feels flatly inferior. But your mileage may vary based on what you like to do. I love it in a server, I just don't like linux on the desktop.
  - OJFord 4y ago
    I'm not one to make 'productivity' claims about tiling wms. I'm certainly more productive in one, but that's because that's what I'm used to. (Maybe a little bit because it's an innate preference too, but not even sure of that.) I just find it less frustrating and more organised looking than overlapping windows, swiping between desktops (or it being animated, or somehow slow even with animations turned off). Basically I just meant I don't think I'd like the Gnome/Xfce/whatever Linux desktop experience either - it would have all the same things that frustrate me on macOS/Windows, and I expect I would agree it's inferior to those (with their massive budgets, UX staff count and salary alone probably dwarfing the Linux OSS projects - not a criticism of them or their efforts).
    - hrbf 4y ago
      I’ve tried it before: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Linux with X and regular as well as tiling WMs. In the end I found no productive advantage to just using Rectangle [1] and LaunchBar [2] on macOS. The system mostly works and enables access to all the Unix software I need. Most of the time I just need a shell, tmux and a web browser. The ongoing fiddling around – to this day – with a substandard experience regarding battery life, WiFi performance and GPU issues as well as HiDPI especially on laptops is a dealbreaker for me. But then again, that may be a major purpose of desktop Unix, Linux especially: to enable those who see fiddling around (read: hacking) as an end in itself. After all, a dedicated car mechanic will never be truly happy driving a Toyota. [1]: https://rectangleapp.com/ https://rectangleapp.com/ [2]: https://obdev.at/products/launchbar/index.html https://obdev.at/products/launchbar/index.html

Ever use a 'window manager', particularly tiling, rather than a full 'desktop' or 'display manager'? I've had the opposite experience, i3 and now sway have made macOS & Windows clunky and unusable nightmares to me - even talking strictly just about interface/windowing/interaction.

cpsns 4y ago
I have and I’ve never been able to understand tiling WMs. After using nontiling ( I don’t know the term) window managers since Windows 95 my mind is just trained for that sort of window management, anything else feels wrong and frustrating. It’s not for a lack of trying either, I really have tried to like tiling wms.
tetraca 4y ago
I've used tiling window managers before, but I don't really find them to be that big of a productivity boost. I have two monitors and I prefer to have all my windows maximized. The only splitting that I need is in my text editor. The one thing I do like is the command line - I find that to be a much better experience than power shell or cmd. But that is it. If I want to do anything creative that isn't text based it feels flatly inferior. But your mileage may vary based on what you like to do. I love it in a server, I just don't like linux on the desktop.
- OJFord 4y ago
  I'm not one to make 'productivity' claims about tiling wms. I'm certainly more productive in one, but that's because that's what I'm used to. (Maybe a little bit because it's an innate preference too, but not even sure of that.) I just find it less frustrating and more organised looking than overlapping windows, swiping between desktops (or it being animated, or somehow slow even with animations turned off). Basically I just meant I don't think I'd like the Gnome/Xfce/whatever Linux desktop experience either - it would have all the same things that frustrate me on macOS/Windows, and I expect I would agree it's inferior to those (with their massive budgets, UX staff count and salary alone probably dwarfing the Linux OSS projects - not a criticism of them or their efforts).
  - hrbf 4y ago
    I’ve tried it before: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Linux with X and regular as well as tiling WMs. In the end I found no productive advantage to just using Rectangle [1] and LaunchBar [2] on macOS. The system mostly works and enables access to all the Unix software I need. Most of the time I just need a shell, tmux and a web browser. The ongoing fiddling around – to this day – with a substandard experience regarding battery life, WiFi performance and GPU issues as well as HiDPI especially on laptops is a dealbreaker for me. But then again, that may be a major purpose of desktop Unix, Linux especially: to enable those who see fiddling around (read: hacking) as an end in itself. After all, a dedicated car mechanic will never be truly happy driving a Toyota. [1]: https://rectangleapp.com/ https://rectangleapp.com/ [2]: https://obdev.at/products/launchbar/index.html https://obdev.at/products/launchbar/index.html