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Please just use the same system london does. I dont need another useless app just to buy a ticket... I dont want to think about tickets. I am happy to pay the

Please just use the same system london does. I dont need another useless app just to buy a ticket... I dont want to think about tickets. I am happy to pay the price but just let me not think about it. Like I was travelling to La Defense, and my ticket did not work.. How I am supposed to know that this isnt part of the same system when the tube goes there.. just charge me whats appropriate and let me be..

jltsiren 4y ago
The system in London works well enough when you are staying in the city. But the gates are difficult to use if you are traveling with luggage. And I don't really like having to validate the ticket twice on each trip. I prefer a honor system where you can simply board the train without any additional hassle.
- brewdad 4y ago
  An honor system is great if you want to run a free transit system. Every honor system train I've encountered soon devolves into a case of 90% or more of passengers simply not paying. That's fine if that's the goal but it's no way to run a system where fares are expected to fund it in any meaningful way.
  - jltsiren 4y ago
    I find that a useful test. If an honor system doesn't work, it's probably not a society I want to live in. In Helsinki, local trains, trams, and the metro have used an honor system as long as I can remember. According to the estimates I've seen, only 3-5% of people don't pay.
    - mvdwoord 4y ago
      This! When I lived in Munich, my dad visited and on one of our U-Bahn trips he mentioned how easy it is to travel without paying as there are no barriers anywhere. I replied that it is also ridiculously easy to actually pay for your trip, and the prices are fair was well. Yay for the honor system! It was a delight using public transport there, and every metro or tram stop had a working ticketing machine with multiple options, accepting both cash and cards. In contrast to many other places. Getting rid of the paper cards in Paris seems premature, if I read about the current alternatives, or lack thereof.
    - _visgean 4y ago
      in prague a lot of tourists don't pay. I think sometimes its because they dont care and sometimes because it is inconvinient / they dont know how etc. Also the paper tickets have an expiry so it is easy to forgot about that. Making paying as convinient as possible is imho the best way to increase revenue from public transportation...
- _visgean 4y ago
  we have that system in prague, it requires employing bunch of weirdos who go around randomly and check peoples tickets. They usually catch somebody. Often times tourists. I have to admit that I have also used to ride without ticket when I was younger.

jltsiren 4y ago

The system in London works well enough when you are staying in the city. But the gates are difficult to use if you are traveling with luggage. And I don't really like having to validate the ticket twice on each trip. I prefer a honor system where you can simply board the train without any additional hassle.

brewdad 4y ago
An honor system is great if you want to run a free transit system. Every honor system train I've encountered soon devolves into a case of 90% or more of passengers simply not paying. That's fine if that's the goal but it's no way to run a system where fares are expected to fund it in any meaningful way.
- jltsiren 4y ago
  I find that a useful test. If an honor system doesn't work, it's probably not a society I want to live in. In Helsinki, local trains, trams, and the metro have used an honor system as long as I can remember. According to the estimates I've seen, only 3-5% of people don't pay.
  - mvdwoord 4y ago
    This! When I lived in Munich, my dad visited and on one of our U-Bahn trips he mentioned how easy it is to travel without paying as there are no barriers anywhere. I replied that it is also ridiculously easy to actually pay for your trip, and the prices are fair was well. Yay for the honor system! It was a delight using public transport there, and every metro or tram stop had a working ticketing machine with multiple options, accepting both cash and cards. In contrast to many other places. Getting rid of the paper cards in Paris seems premature, if I read about the current alternatives, or lack thereof.
  - _visgean 4y ago
    in prague a lot of tourists don't pay. I think sometimes its because they dont care and sometimes because it is inconvinient / they dont know how etc. Also the paper tickets have an expiry so it is easy to forgot about that. Making paying as convinient as possible is imho the best way to increase revenue from public transportation...
_visgean 4y ago
we have that system in prague, it requires employing bunch of weirdos who go around randomly and check peoples tickets. They usually catch somebody. Often times tourists. I have to admit that I have also used to ride without ticket when I was younger.