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For me, Linux would be a downgrade. Suddenly there's a bunch of software I can't run anymore. I actually really like windows 11, plus I can install and run any

For me, Linux would be a downgrade. Suddenly there's a bunch of software I can't run anymore. I actually really like windows 11, plus I can install and run any linux software as if it is a native windows program, and while I can do this, actually, there really isn't many gui apps in the linux world that aren't already on windows and worth running. However, being able to open a linux shell on windows is really useful. Reading through all the "why", I can't find a practical day to day advantage.

marcodiego 4y ago
This kind of comment is exactly what I feared first time I heard about wsl.
tssva 4y ago
I also really like Windows 11 and find it to be a nice upgrade from Windows 10. The 1st Linux distro I used was TAMU back in 1992. I have tried countless desktop distros over the last 30 years. I still try the major desktop distros when they have a new release but leave disappointed each time. Poor battery life, poor trackpad gesture support, and awfulness of both flatpaks and snaps are just a few of the issues.
- seltzered_ 4y ago
  Trackpad support has substantially improved in the past couple years, https://linuxtouchpad.org/ https://linuxtouchpad.org/ has more info.
  - tssva 4y ago
    I have used trackpad support recently. It is indeed better than it was a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, it was so awful that substantially improved doesn't mean good. I still find it to be mostly unusable. When testing recent distros with recent desktop environment running either atop X11 or wayland I have had to repeatedly perform gestures because they aren't recognized and frequently gestures just stop working period. Trackpad gestures work without issue on the same hardware when running Windows.
    - seltzered_ 4y ago
      Interesting. I'm using a standard ubuntu install (gnome) with an apple magic trackpad and have generally enjoyed the experience - only notable difference is I've only been using Wayland (noticed gestures missing or screen tearing issues on X11), and had to install Firefox via a apt repo (agree on your complaints about snaps/flatpak/etc. frustration) Perhaps I've gotten used to the deficiencies, but saying this with a bias of being a macos user for a decade that worked on custom touchpad gesture UI for a while.
- csdvrx 4y ago
  > I also really like Windows 11 Same! With all the keyboards shortcuts, and "new" apps like Windows Terminal, the experience is just wonderful! Most of my apps are fullscreen, and Windows-Arrows to pin to specific quadrant on the screen is just as good as i3 and tiling wm. Also, there's software for everything you may even think about: just yesterday, I wanted an app to display pictures while keeping the same position zoom factor, to take bits and include them in a report. I found nomacs (free software), which is keyboard driven: my workflow became Alt-Tab, Win-Shift-S for snapshot, Alt-Tab again, Control-V, Alt-Tab and the arrow for moving between pictures. > Poor battery life, poor trackpad gesture support, and awfulness of both flatpaks and snaps are just a few of the issues It can happen on some Windows install, especially with newer hardware. But there're a lot of eyeballs on Windows, so getting a working solution is more likely.
  - akho 4y ago
    Nomacs is about as cross-platform as it gets. Aero snap (or whatever Win+arrows is called now) is not a replacement for a tiling wm, and you being happy to finally have a _terminal_, of all things, is just sad.
    - csdvrx 4y ago
      > Nomacs is about as cross-platform as it gets. Exactly. Most software is cross platform, and a few odd ones run only on Windows, so you get most software. > Aero snap (or whatever Win+arrows is called now) is not a replacement for a tiling wm For most cases, yes. Add that other shortcuts to have windows at specific coordinates and stripped of borders, and it's the same. > you being happy to finally have a _terminal_, of all things, is just sad lol https://github.com/csdvrx/cuteXterm https://github.com/csdvrx/cuteXterm

marcodiego 4y ago

This kind of comment is exactly what I feared first time I heard about wsl.

tssva 4y ago

I also really like Windows 11 and find it to be a nice upgrade from Windows 10. The 1st Linux distro I used was TAMU back in 1992. I have tried countless desktop distros over the last 30 years. I still try the major desktop distros when they have a new release but leave disappointed each time. Poor battery life, poor trackpad gesture support, and awfulness of both flatpaks and snaps are just a few of the issues.

seltzered_ 4y ago
Trackpad support has substantially improved in the past couple years, https://linuxtouchpad.org/ https://linuxtouchpad.org/ has more info.
- tssva 4y ago
  I have used trackpad support recently. It is indeed better than it was a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, it was so awful that substantially improved doesn't mean good. I still find it to be mostly unusable. When testing recent distros with recent desktop environment running either atop X11 or wayland I have had to repeatedly perform gestures because they aren't recognized and frequently gestures just stop working period. Trackpad gestures work without issue on the same hardware when running Windows.
  - seltzered_ 4y ago
    Interesting. I'm using a standard ubuntu install (gnome) with an apple magic trackpad and have generally enjoyed the experience - only notable difference is I've only been using Wayland (noticed gestures missing or screen tearing issues on X11), and had to install Firefox via a apt repo (agree on your complaints about snaps/flatpak/etc. frustration) Perhaps I've gotten used to the deficiencies, but saying this with a bias of being a macos user for a decade that worked on custom touchpad gesture UI for a while.
csdvrx 4y ago
> I also really like Windows 11 Same! With all the keyboards shortcuts, and "new" apps like Windows Terminal, the experience is just wonderful! Most of my apps are fullscreen, and Windows-Arrows to pin to specific quadrant on the screen is just as good as i3 and tiling wm. Also, there's software for everything you may even think about: just yesterday, I wanted an app to display pictures while keeping the same position zoom factor, to take bits and include them in a report. I found nomacs (free software), which is keyboard driven: my workflow became Alt-Tab, Win-Shift-S for snapshot, Alt-Tab again, Control-V, Alt-Tab and the arrow for moving between pictures. > Poor battery life, poor trackpad gesture support, and awfulness of both flatpaks and snaps are just a few of the issues It can happen on some Windows install, especially with newer hardware. But there're a lot of eyeballs on Windows, so getting a working solution is more likely.
- akho 4y ago
  Nomacs is about as cross-platform as it gets. Aero snap (or whatever Win+arrows is called now) is not a replacement for a tiling wm, and you being happy to finally have a _terminal_, of all things, is just sad.
  - csdvrx 4y ago
    > Nomacs is about as cross-platform as it gets. Exactly. Most software is cross platform, and a few odd ones run only on Windows, so you get most software. > Aero snap (or whatever Win+arrows is called now) is not a replacement for a tiling wm For most cases, yes. Add that other shortcuts to have windows at specific coordinates and stripped of borders, and it's the same. > you being happy to finally have a _terminal_, of all things, is just sad lol https://github.com/csdvrx/cuteXterm https://github.com/csdvrx/cuteXterm