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A positive development, but quite funny considering staffers were let go based on confessing to past use in a background check. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/19/p

A positive development, but quite funny considering staffers were let go based on confessing to past use in a background check. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/19/politics/biden-white-house-staff-marijuana/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/19/politics/biden-white-house-st...

bombcar 4y ago
I can fully want someone to not see jail time and still not want them as an employee; I believe some companies even discriminate against smokers.
- UnpossibleJim 4y ago
  If you can discriminate against smokers, which is a legal vice, can the employer discriminate on other legal vices, even taken in moderation, such as alcohol or caffeine, in a legal capacity? I'm the furthest thing from a lawyer and this is just a question to people who may know. I understand the smoking thing is an insurance issue.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Unless it’s a protected class you can discriminate on it, from what I understand. If they suspect that you’re using it as a stand-in for a protected class, you may be in trouble (not hiring smokers because blacks smoke, for example). There may be edge cases where something is effectively a protected class. And it may vary from state to state.
  - pocket_cheese 4y ago
    I dabble in adult content creation and could absolutely get fired for it. It's not exactly a vice though.
  - Zak 4y ago
    Some states bar or limit employers from regulating off-duty conduct by employees. Some don't. Smoking is a common one because it affects insurance costs, but the same legal theory could probably be applied to alcohol or caffeine. https://www.workplacefairness.org/off-duty-conduct https://www.workplacefairness.org/off-duty-conduct
  - jimmar 4y ago
    If you want to work at BYU, abstaining from coffee is a condition of employment. This goes for even for people who are not members of its sponsoring church. Just a few years ago, BYU almost lost its ROTC program because a non-LDS colonel didn't want to abide by the university's code [1]. [1] https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2017/08/29/despite-honor-code-concerns-air-force-rotc-stays-at-byu/#:~:text=The%20Church%20of%20Jesus%20Christ,other%20activities%20at%20all%20times https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2017/08/29....
  - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
    yes, in college I worked for a christian company that had a policy of firing you if they found out you drank at all. at-will means at-will.

bombcar 4y ago

I can fully want someone to not see jail time and still not want them as an employee; I believe some companies even discriminate against smokers.

UnpossibleJim 4y ago
If you can discriminate against smokers, which is a legal vice, can the employer discriminate on other legal vices, even taken in moderation, such as alcohol or caffeine, in a legal capacity? I'm the furthest thing from a lawyer and this is just a question to people who may know. I understand the smoking thing is an insurance issue.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Unless it’s a protected class you can discriminate on it, from what I understand. If they suspect that you’re using it as a stand-in for a protected class, you may be in trouble (not hiring smokers because blacks smoke, for example). There may be edge cases where something is effectively a protected class. And it may vary from state to state.
- pocket_cheese 4y ago
  I dabble in adult content creation and could absolutely get fired for it. It's not exactly a vice though.
- Zak 4y ago
  Some states bar or limit employers from regulating off-duty conduct by employees. Some don't. Smoking is a common one because it affects insurance costs, but the same legal theory could probably be applied to alcohol or caffeine. https://www.workplacefairness.org/off-duty-conduct https://www.workplacefairness.org/off-duty-conduct
- jimmar 4y ago
  If you want to work at BYU, abstaining from coffee is a condition of employment. This goes for even for people who are not members of its sponsoring church. Just a few years ago, BYU almost lost its ROTC program because a non-LDS colonel didn't want to abide by the university's code [1]. [1] https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2017/08/29/despite-honor-code-concerns-air-force-rotc-stays-at-byu/#:~:text=The%20Church%20of%20Jesus%20Christ,other%20activities%20at%20all%20times https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2017/08/29....
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
  yes, in college I worked for a christian company that had a policy of firing you if they found out you drank at all. at-will means at-will.