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To the down-voters. I had not considered that my suggestion could negatively impact your drug sales. My sincerest sarcastic apologies

by leeHS 15y ago

archivator 15y ago
The reason you're getting downvoted may be related to the fact that this is not data Interpol would be in the least interested in. What they need are actual transactions/shipments/links to people, not some rather shallow stats extracted from a month-old copy of listings. I'd be really impressed if someone actually runs a Bitcoin client that correlates transactions with prices from SR. Since most sellers select prices in USD, the values in BC are usually not nice and round. Then, you could start creating a profile of Bitcoin users and link them with given certainty to SR accounts. Now, that might be of interest to Interpol/local agencies.
- omouse 15y ago
  That's a stupid idea; helping law enforcement do their jobs. THey have large budgets, they can figure this shit out on their own and there's no need to help them oppress your fellow human. Drug laws in most countries are insanely stupid where non-violent drug offenders are locked up for a long time with violent offenders.
  - eli 15y ago
    You should consider that not everyone agrees with your opinion. That doesn't make them stupid.
    - leeHS 15y ago
      They do not always have large budgets. But for those agencies that do, why can't they invest in projects such as this? I'm still trying to figure out why people are against practical applications of this project. It's datamining illegal online activities. Isn't law enforcement a no brainer here? Please let me know what I'm missing.
      - nitrogen 15y ago
        Judging from past conversations HN has had about things like Silk Road, psilocybin experiments, SOPA/Protect IP, Wikileaks, surveillance, and censorship, the majority have expressed a vehement moral opposition to helping "oppressors" of any kind. They'd probably see writing software for law enforcement the same way you might see writing software for terrorists (though they'd be opposed to writing software for terrorists, too).
      - omouse 15y ago
        I apologize if I seem harsh in my comments regarding this subject. The practical applications will be abused. There are already projects by the CIA and NSA to massively monitor various communications platforms. The datamining isn't of only illegal activities, it's datamining of everything. It's just not as simple as "datamine illegal online activities". You're basically going to have to monitor everyone using bitcoin, and then monitor all of silkroad, but once the users catch wind of surveillance they'll abandon it and move elsewhere and now you might as well monitor freaking everything to catch them. You should check out the idea of a panopticon and Michael Foucalt's writing on it. Helping to create this project furthers the idea of a panopticon and that's a scary thing. The panopticon is a building that forces people in it to behave by having complete transparency. If you're watched all the time, you're less likely to do something illegal or morally wrong. Maybe that's a bit too philosophical for this discussion... http://cartome.org/foucault.htm http://cartome.org/foucault.htm
    - omouse 15y ago
      It does make them stupid when they don't consider how much harm has been caused by people helping the government or law enforcement to implement things that cross ethical and moral lines.
  - olefoo 15y ago
    Law enforcement agencies use contractors and buy software all the time... Are you saying that's not a valid market to target? Or do you have ideological objections to selling work and products for the purposes of enforcing laws you personally disagree with? I personally (and I hope most of the people on this site) would take issue with building and selling products that had no legitimate use other than torture. But I have no problem selling software that could be used to gather information and profile suspected drug dealers or others breaking the established law of the land; even if I disagree with drug prohibition as a policy.
    - omouse 15y ago
      The ideology that you subscribe to is capitalism which says that markets and profits rule. Your ideology is in line with law enforcements. My objections are of course ideologically because I'm opposed to the ideology of capitalism. You cannot even help them gather information and profile suspected drug dealers because that technology and that infrastructure will be abused and will be turned on everyone else. It already has been. I disagree with drug prohibition but I'm more in disagreement with the future potential abuses of the products created for this purpose.
- leeHS 15y ago
  Why would they not be interested? I happen to interact with them from time to time. Now, I can't say for sure, but I would imagine this is something they would certainly be interested in.
drivebyacct2 15y ago
Oh thank god you're here to police what I (am able to buy and then) put in my own body. Your sarcasm is self righteous and doesn't flatter you.
- leeHS 15y ago
  While I don't agree with you, I admit my comment was not productive. I guess I was just unprepared for the backlash. I thought my Interpol suggestion was pretty neutral. I've been writing software for law enforcement for about 7ish years now. My work helps monitor and track DNA samples through a forensic lab. I'm proud to be helping law enforcement this way. My work helps with murders, sexual assaults, break and enters. Like I said, I saw this project, and thought I would make a suggestion that might help the developer bring it to the next level. It really had nothing to do with my personal beliefs pertaining to drug laws.
  - drivebyacct2 15y ago
    Which part do you not agree with exactly? Personal choice? If your lab works to stop and solve murders, fine, but my drug use (or lack there of) isn't hurting anyone, yet I have to pay a non-trivial amount in taxes to have peoples' personal choices persecuted.
    - leeHS 15y ago
      I was not agreeing with your comment that I was policing you. As for my personal beliefs, like everything in life, it's a balance. Do I want society telling me I can't smoke weed, no. In fact, I don't really want society telling me what to do, period. On the other hand, we all have to live together, and so we all need to agree on some rules to live by to protect each other and society at large. There are some obvious rules, like let's all try not to murder and rape each other. Should drugs be illegal? I don't know. What impact would legalization have on our society? Well, that's the question isn't it? And the debate rages on.
      - drivebyacct2 15y ago

To the down-voters. I had not considered that my suggestion could negatively impact your drug sales. My sincerest sarcastic apologies

by leeHS 15y ago

To the down-voters. I had not considered that my suggestion could negatively impact your drug sales. My sincerest sarcastic apologies

archivator 15y ago

The reason you're getting downvoted may be related to the fact that this is not data Interpol would be in the least interested in. What they need are actual transactions/shipments/links to people, not some rather shallow stats extracted from a month-old copy of listings. I'd be really impressed if someone actually runs a Bitcoin client that correlates transactions with prices from SR. Since most sellers select prices in USD, the values in BC are usually not nice and round. Then, you could start creating a profile of Bitcoin users and link them with given certainty to SR accounts. Now, that might be of interest to Interpol/local agencies.

omouse 15y ago
That's a stupid idea; helping law enforcement do their jobs. THey have large budgets, they can figure this shit out on their own and there's no need to help them oppress your fellow human. Drug laws in most countries are insanely stupid where non-violent drug offenders are locked up for a long time with violent offenders.
- eli 15y ago
  You should consider that not everyone agrees with your opinion. That doesn't make them stupid.
  - leeHS 15y ago
    They do not always have large budgets. But for those agencies that do, why can't they invest in projects such as this? I'm still trying to figure out why people are against practical applications of this project. It's datamining illegal online activities. Isn't law enforcement a no brainer here? Please let me know what I'm missing.
    - nitrogen 15y ago
      Judging from past conversations HN has had about things like Silk Road, psilocybin experiments, SOPA/Protect IP, Wikileaks, surveillance, and censorship, the majority have expressed a vehement moral opposition to helping "oppressors" of any kind. They'd probably see writing software for law enforcement the same way you might see writing software for terrorists (though they'd be opposed to writing software for terrorists, too).
    - omouse 15y ago
      I apologize if I seem harsh in my comments regarding this subject. The practical applications will be abused. There are already projects by the CIA and NSA to massively monitor various communications platforms. The datamining isn't of only illegal activities, it's datamining of everything. It's just not as simple as "datamine illegal online activities". You're basically going to have to monitor everyone using bitcoin, and then monitor all of silkroad, but once the users catch wind of surveillance they'll abandon it and move elsewhere and now you might as well monitor freaking everything to catch them. You should check out the idea of a panopticon and Michael Foucalt's writing on it. Helping to create this project furthers the idea of a panopticon and that's a scary thing. The panopticon is a building that forces people in it to behave by having complete transparency. If you're watched all the time, you're less likely to do something illegal or morally wrong. Maybe that's a bit too philosophical for this discussion... http://cartome.org/foucault.htm http://cartome.org/foucault.htm
  - omouse 15y ago
    It does make them stupid when they don't consider how much harm has been caused by people helping the government or law enforcement to implement things that cross ethical and moral lines.
- olefoo 15y ago
  Law enforcement agencies use contractors and buy software all the time... Are you saying that's not a valid market to target? Or do you have ideological objections to selling work and products for the purposes of enforcing laws you personally disagree with? I personally (and I hope most of the people on this site) would take issue with building and selling products that had no legitimate use other than torture. But I have no problem selling software that could be used to gather information and profile suspected drug dealers or others breaking the established law of the land; even if I disagree with drug prohibition as a policy.
  - omouse 15y ago
    The ideology that you subscribe to is capitalism which says that markets and profits rule. Your ideology is in line with law enforcements. My objections are of course ideologically because I'm opposed to the ideology of capitalism. You cannot even help them gather information and profile suspected drug dealers because that technology and that infrastructure will be abused and will be turned on everyone else. It already has been. I disagree with drug prohibition but I'm more in disagreement with the future potential abuses of the products created for this purpose.
leeHS 15y ago
Why would they not be interested? I happen to interact with them from time to time. Now, I can't say for sure, but I would imagine this is something they would certainly be interested in.

drivebyacct2 15y ago

Oh thank god you're here to police what I (am able to buy and then) put in my own body. Your sarcasm is self righteous and doesn't flatter you.

leeHS 15y ago
While I don't agree with you, I admit my comment was not productive. I guess I was just unprepared for the backlash. I thought my Interpol suggestion was pretty neutral. I've been writing software for law enforcement for about 7ish years now. My work helps monitor and track DNA samples through a forensic lab. I'm proud to be helping law enforcement this way. My work helps with murders, sexual assaults, break and enters. Like I said, I saw this project, and thought I would make a suggestion that might help the developer bring it to the next level. It really had nothing to do with my personal beliefs pertaining to drug laws.
- drivebyacct2 15y ago
  Which part do you not agree with exactly? Personal choice? If your lab works to stop and solve murders, fine, but my drug use (or lack there of) isn't hurting anyone, yet I have to pay a non-trivial amount in taxes to have peoples' personal choices persecuted.
  - leeHS 15y ago
    I was not agreeing with your comment that I was policing you. As for my personal beliefs, like everything in life, it's a balance. Do I want society telling me I can't smoke weed, no. In fact, I don't really want society telling me what to do, period. On the other hand, we all have to live together, and so we all need to agree on some rules to live by to protect each other and society at large. There are some obvious rules, like let's all try not to murder and rape each other. Should drugs be illegal? I don't know. What impact would legalization have on our society? Well, that's the question isn't it? And the debate rages on.
    - drivebyacct2 15y ago