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> I'm pretty sure the author reached an entirely fallacious and baseless conclusion. I read the article as demonstrating a particular dirty trick and it demons

by praptak 15y ago

> I'm pretty sure the author reached an entirely fallacious and baseless conclusion. I read the article as demonstrating a particular dirty trick and it demonstrated it well. To me the fact that the trick can be used to discriminate against women was just a part of the background, not an essential part of the article. That's why it doesn't bother me that the author omitted the proof of connection between her being female and the trick being used on her. By the way, what kind of proof would you accept?

jamesbritt 15y ago
To me the fact that the trick can be used to discriminate against women was just a part of the background, not an essential part of the article. I saw it as a tactic that can be used against anyone; there's nothing sex-specific about it.
- jtheory 15y ago
  Sure. But it's going to make women on the team much more uncomfortable, because of the stereotype. If I were a blond man, and my manager would reel off a string of blond jokes whenever I made some mistake, it'd be pretty irritating. If I were a blond woman, it'd be probably be still more unpleasant. That's the point of the article. She found her particular string of experiences (and all of the other similar experiences not listed in the post) frustrating enough that she needed to leave the job, and the team suffered her loss (probably without ever understanding why she left, or how they could retain another equally-talented female techie). This is not going to be intuitive to every manager or techie. It's worth discussing.
fleitz 15y ago
It can only be used on women who give a crap about being viewed as emotional. The proper response to such a thing is more long the lines of: "Why does your job description list that you're looking for passionate (or whatever other BS they are feeding people to get them to view the company as anything more than a source of income) people? Passion is an emotion, you've preselected for emotional people and are now complaining about it, you really need to make a decision as to what kind of people you want at your company and act accordingly." The work environment sounds screwed, good on the OP for moving on.

by praptak 15y ago

jamesbritt 15y ago

To me the fact that the trick can be used to discriminate against women was just a part of the background, not an essential part of the article. I saw it as a tactic that can be used against anyone; there's nothing sex-specific about it.

jtheory 15y ago
Sure. But it's going to make women on the team much more uncomfortable, because of the stereotype. If I were a blond man, and my manager would reel off a string of blond jokes whenever I made some mistake, it'd be pretty irritating. If I were a blond woman, it'd be probably be still more unpleasant. That's the point of the article. She found her particular string of experiences (and all of the other similar experiences not listed in the post) frustrating enough that she needed to leave the job, and the team suffered her loss (probably without ever understanding why she left, or how they could retain another equally-talented female techie). This is not going to be intuitive to every manager or techie. It's worth discussing.

fleitz 15y ago

It can only be used on women who give a crap about being viewed as emotional. The proper response to such a thing is more long the lines of: "Why does your job description list that you're looking for passionate (or whatever other BS they are feeding people to get them to view the company as anything more than a source of income) people? Passion is an emotion, you've preselected for emotional people and are now complaining about it, you really need to make a decision as to what kind of people you want at your company and act accordingly." The work environment sounds screwed, good on the OP for moving on.