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> The road only leads to diluted standards This is not the only possibility. So much of the way we used to view education was top-down and memorization of fac

> The road only leads to diluted standards This is not the only possibility. So much of the way we used to view education was top-down and memorization of facts. I don't think that a medical school education is that different from something like CS than the old guard would like you to believe. Can a Dr self-teach just like a CS engineer? Maybe not, but the ability to memorize organic chemistry facts is likely a much smaller part of being a doctor than ever before. We know the university system is a mess, we know the medical system is a mess, and yet we say any attempt to change it must be a lowering of standards. Something has to give. > Professional education isn't feel-happy. It sets you up to face real challenges This is horrifically untrue. I think people are really bad at understanding how to "impose productive stress" or whatever you want to call it on people. Nothing I've faced in my professional environment, talking to angry customers, Hours long product wide outages, coordinating 30 teams, troubleshooting complex systems was as artificially stressful as education. Maybe because in the real world for the most part your peers and bosses are on your side.

srvmshr 4y ago
My opinion was simply to state loosening the course to enable everyone to pass & get a minimum B+ for e.g, negates the purposes of grading. A lot of schools have different courses covering the same topics because the target audience is different. Organic Chemistry for grad school Chemistry needs a lot of rote. But thats not needed for med school. If the same course is used by both the audience, we can't blame the professor for keeping a higher bar. That's NYU course planners' responsibility TBH. And this is the example I was elucidating in (2) > This is horrifically untrue [...] Again, you're misunderstanding me. I am against people inducing work stress. But STEM does have higher rigors to clear than literature or fine arts. Grad school was a fast paced, and challenging experience. I enjoyed it. But I wouldn't say they were relaxing and feel good. Its not fair to pick that one sentence and quote me out of context. I am not talking of undergrad education which should be holistic & enable exposing students to a wide array of topics without risks of adverse outcomes by low grades. Grad school specialization is more geared to push you to the bleeding edge - and going there needs out of the ordinary efforts. If NYUs current course is not suited for med school but suitable for e.g chemical engineering or chemistry majors, NYU should be revisiting the course planning carefully
- mikkergp 4y ago
  > Its not fair to pick that one sentence and quote me out of context Fair enough, I apologize.

srvmshr 4y ago

My opinion was simply to state loosening the course to enable everyone to pass & get a minimum B+ for e.g, negates the purposes of grading. A lot of schools have different courses covering the same topics because the target audience is different. Organic Chemistry for grad school Chemistry needs a lot of rote. But thats not needed for med school. If the same course is used by both the audience, we can't blame the professor for keeping a higher bar. That's NYU course planners' responsibility TBH. And this is the example I was elucidating in (2) > This is horrifically untrue [...] Again, you're misunderstanding me. I am against people inducing work stress. But STEM does have higher rigors to clear than literature or fine arts. Grad school was a fast paced, and challenging experience. I enjoyed it. But I wouldn't say they were relaxing and feel good. Its not fair to pick that one sentence and quote me out of context. I am not talking of undergrad education which should be holistic & enable exposing students to a wide array of topics without risks of adverse outcomes by low grades. Grad school specialization is more geared to push you to the bleeding edge - and going there needs out of the ordinary efforts. If NYUs current course is not suited for med school but suitable for e.g chemical engineering or chemistry majors, NYU should be revisiting the course planning carefully

mikkergp 4y ago
> Its not fair to pick that one sentence and quote me out of context Fair enough, I apologize.